Discussion in 'Drivers' started by HammydiRestarules, Jan 28, 2012.
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The Williams was the best car in 2003 until Ferrari nobled their tyres near the end.
Ralph Schumacher won 6 Grands Prix and finished 4th in the WDC 2 seasons in succession. Is it the car? Is it the driver? J-P M 2003 - Car. RSC 2001 & 2002 - Car.
Well I think he did put thought in but he wasnt prepared to sell his soul like some drivers do. He was a fair racer,hard but fair and as you say fast and enthusiatic. Also beathtakingly exciting. But he didnt sell out. Ok he didnt win but he left with his integrity intact. You cant say that about them all, and some of them are world champions, muliple even!
Please define to me how a driver sell's out. JPM played the sponsor game just as much as anyone - or are you suggesting because he didn't learn from his mistakes and adjust his driving style to one that would bring him the title that he somehow has more integrity?
I wasnt meaning taking sponsors or learning/not learning from mistakes. I was meaning not liking and therfore not accepting decisions made purely for political reasons. Not accepting a second fiddle role like Massa has and like Barichello did. Not driving dirty to win like Schumacher did. Not walking over your team mate like Schumacher did and Alonso does. I didn't want to name names but since you missed my point I have. JPM wanted to race racing cars not win at any cost. Well thats how I saw him anyway. he saw the way things were going, didnt like it, got out.
Edit. And he was talented. And he was a real racer.
What does he was a 'real racer' mean? Others don't bother racing? Its all subjective - as is 'driving dirty to win' - he had a fair few coming togethers and incidents with people to the point where he was declared dangerous - anyone remember Monaco? -
As for second fiddle - he was very much second fiddle to Kimi and couldn't cope with it so had a wobbley and stomped off out of F1.
It can all be viewed from different angles can't it? All depends if your a fan or not. So lets not throw around statements like 'real racer' and 'sell out'.
Personally I think he was very talented but faced with the might that was Schmacher he didn't stand a chance and come 2003 he realised it and his ego couldn't cope with it.
Oh he could handle Shumacher. Scared he certainly wasnt. And he didnt play second fiddle to Kimi. Granted the final McLaren car suited Kimi better than Juan, but he wasnt playing second fiddle.
Im not saying he didnt have accidents, Thats what happens when you race cars but he didn't take other drivers out deliberately as some drivers do.
As you say, how you view him will depend on whether you like what you see, whether your a fan. Well I am, so Im putting the positive view.
Yes. Its stock car racing.
If he could handle Schumacher how come he never beat him? Even in 03 when he had the best car? and if he wasn't playing second fiddle to Kimi why did he play his back-up driver for Kimi's 05 championship challenge?
As for him not being dangerous - I think David Coulthard, Jaques Villeneurve and Ralf Schumacher might disagree with you after the incident in quali coming up Casino hill - and thats without even asking Michael after the tunnel incident and all those people he took off in Canada.
Believe it or not I quite liked Montoya but lets not paint him as something he isn't and glorifying him as some sort of true pure racing driver. He wasn't he had a lot of skill and flare, he had a lot of potential but unfourtunatly he took part in a era when there were drivers with more and he cracked under the pressure of it eventually and sulked off out of F1 mid-season.
Good job for you he did actually Racecub or we might very well have had to wait a tad longer for a certain Lewis Hamilton.
No he was better than Kimi. The car didnt suit. If he'd had the 2007 car things would have been very different
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