Jean-Éric Vergne

Discussion in 'Drivers' started by RasputinLives, Jan 19, 2012.

  1. soccerman17

    soccerman17 Race Winner

    Well the Monaco retirement definitely wasn't a matter of JEV being a car breaker as they both retired. And I think Bahrain he was a Sutil victim. Although he has out-retired Ricciardo each of the last two years, 4-1 in 2012 and 5-3 in 2013 not counting a race in which Ricciardo failed to finish but completed enough laps to be classified.
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    I have to admitt that deep down I kind of still believe JEV is better than Danny Ric.

    However I can't help but think he's got no hope and Bob Hope this year. If he beats Kyvat then he should have done and if he doesn't then he's blown it. Add to the fact that there is no space for him to be promted to the A Team with at least 3 Red Bull juniors currently smashing it in the junior formulas and the liklihood is that however good JEVs season is he'll be out of the Red Bull programme.

    I think his best hope is to string some results together and hope another team takes him.
     
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  4. ZakspeedYakspeed

    ZakspeedYakspeed NeverUnderestimateThePredictabilityOfStupidity Premium Contributor

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    It is a cruel cruel business ...

    I hope he get's a decent shot next season ... I want to see him in a reasonable car ...
     
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  5. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    I can't feel much sympathy for him,, well I mean he's French isn't he....
     
  6. siffert_fan

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    For JeV to be out of a ride, yet Maldonado to still have one shows just how $kewed today's F1 priorities are.
     
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    Vergne has been given an extended chance. He's greatly responsible for not having seized his opportunity. Of course he's better than Maldonado and his oily money, but that could go for any number of drivers as well. Not to mention the fact that pay drivers aren't exactly a new phenomenon in F1.

    For every JEV there's a dozen guys of similar skill that never get a single GP ride, nevermind 3 seasons worth.
     
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  8. RasputinLives

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    I do take your point KekeTheKing but as JEV pretty much kept pace with Ricciardo and Ricciardo has gone on to do great things. Should we be reassessing JEV.

    Where JEV lost out to Ricciardo was in his qualifying which appears to be an issue he has got on top of this season.
     
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  9. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Have Red Bull announced their drivers for next year yet?
     
  10. soccerman17

    soccerman17 Race Winner

    No but I will give you ten Brogans if Vergne is one of them Bill Boddy
     
  11. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    After today I would suggest that he should be still with Toro Rosso with Kvyat moving to be Ricciardo's team mate.
     
  12. no-FIAt-please

    no-FIAt-please Champion Elect Premium Contributor

    Vergne - 19 Points
    Kyvat - 8 Points

    Hmm... and he was robbed of at least 6th in Monaco too.
     
  13. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    It is ridiculous that he should be out of a seat when proven failures keep theirs.
     
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  14. sushifiesta

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    I think he has a chance of a seat at Lotus or Sauber, but he falls in-between the "world champion potential" category and the "filthy rich" category and it's difficult to survive in F1 is you're not one of those now.
     
  15. RasputinLives

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    Brilliant drive from JEV at Singapore to equal his best ever finish. Only person to get a better result than him in a Toro Rosso is Sebastian Vettel.

    Will someone please give him a drive for next year?!?!
     
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  16. soccerman17

    soccerman17 Race Winner

    I feel as if Toro Rosso drivers almost always perform better than they should in the car that they're given, just nobody realizes just how well they are doing because they are both doing equally well so we assume the car is better than it is. If that makes sense. So nobody notices until you do something absolutely remarkable like Vettel did. But I feel like this led to good drivers being driven out of F1 with Buemi and Alguersuari and it may happen again with JEV. Nobody though much of Ricciardo either until he got a chance with Red Bull, and nobody would have thought twice about it had his career gone down the same path as Buemi and Alguersuari before him. Maybe we need a better way to evaluate drivers in F1 because of how difficult it is to judge a driver's competency by comparing them to their teammates and the rest of the field.
     
  17. RasputinLives

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    F1Yorkshire just broke the news on the Formula E discussion thread that JEV will be driving for Andretti in the Formula E race in Uruguay this weekend.

    Looking forward to seeing him in Formula E but wonder if he is maybe hooking up with Andretti with the prospect of a drive in the states.

    F1's loss is Formula E and maybe Indy Cars gain.
     
  18. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    I thought I read JEV is thinking about Indycar.

    Who knows if he does a good job he may return to F1 lets hope not like Zanardi
     
  19. Il_leone

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    soccerman17 you can't say the policy has failed since Vettel and now Ricciardo have proven it works . Every driver going through the Red Bull young driver knows the score if they succeed chances are they will end up driving for Red Bull if not their career is finished ( well no second chances with them)

    Its brutal but given the time and money invested in each driver only one can come out on top each time

    Algarsuari has moaned that Helmut thinks you need to win in the car to get recognition. Clearly the STR is never going to be a race winner now Red Bull team gets a lion share of F1 budget
     
  20. soccerman17

    soccerman17 Race Winner

    I'm not saying Toro Rosso's strategy hasn't worked I just think they've passed up on quite a few drivers as good as Ricciardo's performance was pretty standard for Toro Rosso yet he is absolutely killing it at Red Bull. Buemi, Alguersuari and Vergne did just as well as Ricciardo at Toro Rosso, don't you think they'd be doing well at Red Bull right now too if they were there?
     
  21. Incubus

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    I think that part of the problem is that Red Bull have a tendency to leave it very late in the year before announcing what drivers they decide not to retain in their set-up. Too late for said drivers to have much chance of opening serious negotiations with any rival team. And once you're out of a drive for younger drivers, chances are they won''t make it back in if the last 10 years are anything to go by.
    And the other part of the problem is that the Red Bull program is such that the image of young drivers become associated wuth the the brand. Everything become centred around the program, image, sponsors etc... it's a very exclusive club. It's got its advantages as long as you're part of it but as soon as you're out you're left with not a lot else in terms of partners or backers etc....
     

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