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  1. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    I am not sure; when asked, he has avoided answer (sort off), but he hasn't deny it.
     
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  3. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    RasputinLives Definitely a promotion managing the A - team
     
  4. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    Myth and realities.

    Italian press questions Ferrari's 'political weight'
     
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  5. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    there has always been talk & this is proof 10 years ago Ferrari got away with everything & now the FIA with ex Ferrari team principal as president is now heavily baised against Ferrari. I agree they have every right to be upset but the way I think of it is that Ferrari wanted more lenient rules & to allow the drivers to race. sort it on track. well they were victorious in that. just very unlucky that they were on wrong side of the "old" & "new" rules
     
  6. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    I have some difficulty to talk about old, new, etc. For me there is only one set - current rules. What is getting to me about this issue, that the stewards are talking about series of activities during post-race investigation, and then they decide. It took them long time, and it still ends up as controversial decision. That's them sitting on their .... having all time to scratch their pretty hairdo. Meanwhile, what about the driver who has to react in split second, and even if they want to stay clean, how they are supposed to drive to do that, and win some races when they are in clutches of stewards? Point is, some rules are ambiguous, some other rules are half-baked, and some rules are redundant.

    Take this one - driver is supposed to re-enter track in safe manner. This immediately opens to subjective judgement of people outside of the race. Do you know of any driver who has wish to reenter track and get killed? So, who needs this rubbish?

    Rules should be clear and self evident. As an example, if a driver for any reason cuts corner (as Vettel had in Canada), he has to slot behind Hamilton who followed him. Something like that, because you do not have to investigate anything, its there for all to see, Vettel would either let Hamilton through, or he did not. Not much subjective guessing in that. Problem is, there is no such rule and instead half of racing world argues what safe return onto track really is.
     
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  7. Jimbob

    Jimbob Learner

    I always felt the so-called anti-Ferrari bias was more a matter of the passion and zealousness of Ferrari supporters. And, in turn, the fire and intensity of that passion was used by others as argument against Ferrari and it's supporters. I believe the reality today is that whatever controversy is needed to get headlines, increased attendance and/or TV viewership, etc will be encouraged by the powers that be.
     
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  8. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Forget cutting the corner... More than two wheels off the track at any one time and concede your position. Doesn't matter if the next guy is 2 seconds behind. It'll force them to keep the car on the road.
     
  9. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Mod Chat.

    Hi all. I have moved the posts out of the old thread and deleted all of the ones that would have been out of context or not on topic.

    I have made a small edit to one or two posts so that the flow of the topic can be followed without confusion.

    Hope that clears this matter up.

    Finally, may I respectfully remind you to contact myself or Brogan if you are having any difficulties with the forum.

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  10. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    Thank you for prompt intervention.
     
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  11. Izumi

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    Treatment of Ferrari might be conveniently moved onto back burner, but in the background not all is fine and dandy at Maranello. Disapproval with FiA's handling of both incidents is obvious.

    Fans suspect unfair Ferrari treatment - Piero Ferrari
    Piero Ferrari said:..
    He said that without "simpler" and "transparent" rules that are then applied consistently, "people become disaffected".

    Exactly. He would not be talking like this had both recent controversial calls were transparent and above the board. Can we expect changes? I seriously doubt it. F1 has long history of heated discussions, and nothing really ever changes in directions of simplicity. Question then is, how will Ferrari respond on long run?
     
  12. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    The only way to have genuine consistency is to ensure that all incidents that fall into particular areas of conjecture are exactly the same. Ie, every time a driver hangs another out on a corner and it’s worthy of an enquiry, the precise conditions and detail of both cars’ approach and contact must be identical to all other incidents of the same type.

    In short, it ain’t gonna happen. Accept that there are grey areas, subtle (and not so subtle) differences per similar incident, and ever-evolving tracks and conditions that mean consistency is impossible.
     
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  13. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    There is another way, and I may repeat myself here with my theory, that F1 is over-regulated, and drivers ought to have more free hand how to manage their race. I am making assumptions such as drivers have no desire to hurt themselves, and they know banging of wheels get them only so far.

    Stewards should stick to policing only self evident offenses. Put it differently, do not get involved in situational analyses which do require complex subjective judgements. I am coming back to driver's point of view when he has during a race a fraction of a second more or less just intuitively decide on his move, that's all what he gets, yet after race we have stewards spending half an hour thinking about it whether it is legal or not. It does not make any sense to me. Rules cannot be that fuzzy in their interpretation.

    Simplicity would be main thrust in changes I would like to see. As said elsewhere, instructing drivers to drive safely needs to be taken off the board, because it achieves absolutely nothing and it is just good for 100+ pages or arguments what drive safely actually means within racing context.

    Now we need to wait what Ferrari will do with their predicament.
     
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  14. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    What predicament?
     
  15. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    I'll add that stweards' decisions should be made much more swiftly than we have been seeing, but allowing drivers 'to sort out on track' is like asking footballers to decide on their own fouls. Stewards enquiries are crucial to fairness, and there will always be those who feel aggrieved, but there's no other way to apply decisions. I don't think that having the same stewards for every race would help either, it could lead to perceived bias and personality issues. The system is as good as it can be, just needs to be quicker.
     
  16. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    Ferrari predicament is framed in PR arena. One needs to open and read two linked articles in posts 1363 and 1370. Angered fans ultimately turn against someone or something, and it is not what the team wants, or needs.
     
  17. Brogan

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    The predicament of being given money for just being Ferrari for one.

    How dare the sport think it can just award them tens of millions every year!

    We can only hope that Ferrari will eventually follow through on their oft repeated threat and **** off from the sport for good.
     
  18. RasputinLives

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    Angered fans? Why would a small minority of fans angry over some none issue bother the FIA. It's losing fans and viewers hand over fist due to the crap racing. I think it has far more to worry about that some people who feel a bit hard done by.
     
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  19. Dartman

    Dartman Points Scorer

    The banging of wheels and pushing off the track will continue until one driver misjudges the manoeuvre and launches one of the cars in the air and kills a marshal or spectator, at 200mph and upside down these cars can fly a long way. The drivers OK, he's in his indestructible carbon fibre box and knows it
     
  20. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan. Contributor

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    But he doesn't do it like that, he's very good at how, when and where it will work.
    I don't think he's ever been penalised for moving in the braking zone when defending either.
    He knows that he won't suffer at the hands of the stewards because they've never done it before.
     
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  21. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    at what point does vettel worry since Canada that 3 races, Leclerc outqualifed in all 3 & then beaten him in all 3. I was saying that Leclerc is sneaking into 1st driver status but my dad was saying not sneaking he waltzing in there
     

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