Esteban Gutiérrez

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  1. RasputinLives

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    Yep. The deal with Telmex is that they prefer Sauber to run a Mexican driver. Sauber has chosen Guttierrez. Most likely because he's been with the team for years and is a former GP3 champion to boot.

    Not that I'm saying he doesn't need to up.his game but to be fair to the guy he was put in to F1 at least a season earlier than he should be and is struggling to get a rep back in a god dam awful car.

    To be honest I doubt he ever will and I doubt he would have ever been a front runner. Given different circumstances he prob would a fight of it in the pack. Currently though he's on his road to F1 exitville.
     
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  3. RasputinLives

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    I have to correct myself. Guttierrez did pick up a new sponsor in AKRON in Jan 14.

    http://www.estebanracing.com/esteban-gutierrezs-sponsor-akron-presented-in-monterrey/

    He was already confirmed by this point but I imagine it brings some cash to Sauber. I'll have to have a look how prominant the name is next time I see his car.

    Bet Sutil brings in more though.
     
  4. no-FIAt-please

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    He hasn't even showed one spark of potential in 18 months of F1. Too young or not he would have demonstrated something by now if he had it, he just doesn't.
     
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  5. RasputinLives

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    Well there was the fastest lap in Spain 2013, the top 10 in the quali's at the end of last year, Japan 2013 and the fact he's been on top of Sutil this year so far but like I said he needs to pull his finger out. His junior record out strips a lot of others so I don't begrudge him a shot even if he's not currently taking it.

    He didn't hamilton his first year but the if you'd shoved Hamilton in to F1 circa 2005 in a team that was struggling I doubt Hamilton would have Hamiltoned his first year.
     
  6. Josh

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    Comparing anyone's first year to Hamilton is rather unfair imo. I doubt we'll see something like that again, not soon at least.
     
  7. no-FIAt-please

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    RasputinLives Didn't he have a late pitstop Spain 2013? I maybe be wrong on that one. Yes he qualified in the top 10 in the latter of 2013, behind his team-mate pretty much every single time... similar to Japan 2013 way behind Hulkenberg. As for this year Gutierrez has a significant weight advantage over Sutil who is one of the heaviest drivers on the grid, and Sutil has hardly had a stellar F1 career.

    He just doesn't cut the mustard for me.
     
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  8. RasputinLives

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    Well I think be behind the Hulk as a rookie is slightly forgivable.

    I don't disagree with you on any point really I just think he's had a hard lot. He's painted as a pay driver when in actual fact he's been parachuted in early for his nationality. Even he said himself he wasn't ready for his first year in F1 before they put him in the team. He was a driver with a decent junior record who given a few more years to learn the craft out of the spotlight might have ended up as a semi decent F1 driver.
     
  9. Johnny Carwash

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    After today it has to be said that Gutierrez is out of his depth in F1 and the sooner he is out of F1 the better.
     
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    It was nice seeing Pastor getting Pastored.
     
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    Gutierrez has rarely appeared a competent F1 driver. That was a Formula Ford incident.
     
  12. Il_leone

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    the word revenge comes to mind but what he did was absolutely ridiculous
     
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    Had to go to the second page of F1 drivers to find this thread, we really don't notice or talk about this guy at all. This makes the attached link very plausible indeed.

    http://sniffpetrol.com/2014/11/13/gutierrez-hasnt-been-in-last-five-races/#.VGSJ_PmsU8R
     
  14. rufus_mcdufus

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    Well I never. Gutierrez is Ferrari's 3rd driver.
    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/wow-just-got-that-one-under-the-wire/

    You never know - being a 3rd driver might not be such a bad thing next year?
     
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  15. soccerman17

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    Of all people... I certainly would've chosen Marciello over Gutierrez, or even tried to lure Jean-Eric Vergne (of course if I was in charge JEV would be in a race seat). Lets see if next years Ferrari has Telmex written all over it.
     
  16. cider_and_toast

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    Don't forget that during the bulk of Ferrari's dominance over the last 20 years, their test drivers were Luca Badoer and Marc Gene. Both absolute dog poo on a race weekend but they must have done something right as test drivers.
     
  17. Il_leone

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    Getting Gutierrez not sure if it is to help them entice Mexican sponsors because he is not going to get a run unless Kimi seriously stuffs up
     
  18. teabagyokel

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    I suppose it's one way to stop the mechanics breaking Raikkonen's legs. A staggeringly poor substitute for Bianchi based on past performance.
     
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  19. RasputinLives

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    It seems Gutierrez landing himself the 3rd driver Ferrari role is about to pay off as Haas have confirmed they will run a Ferrari reserve next year and old Esteban is the favourite it to land it.

    Reading back through the thread it seems none of us rate him (even me and I'm a big softie) but it seems somewhere someone does. Are we all missing something? After 2 years at Sauber and a year shadowing Ferrari will he jump in an F1 car and show us soe of that potential we thought he might possibly have in him during his junior days?

    I remain doubtful. JEV probably remains sick as a dog.
     
  20. Il_leone

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    It helps when your home race is added to the F1 calendar next year and the team is US and can leverage a bit more with the Mexican sponsors

    Remember he was in the Sauber last year when the team scored NIL points
     
  21. Greenlantern101

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    Its the stats against his team mates that speak volumes.
    Kermits stats in white his team mates in yellow.
    Compliments of f1-facts.com
    Esteban Gutierrez compared with Hülkenberg and Sutil

    As you can see he just about (but doesn't) holds his own against an average midfield man in Slasher, but totally outclassed against The Hulk. Thats not the sort of driver F1 needs. Not when real talent is sitting in the wings.

    screenshot.88.jpg
     
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