Daniil Kvyat

Discussion in 'Drivers' started by RasputinLives, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    It was either Sainz or Verstappen. Sainz lacks the backing from outside like Verstappen who has his daddy always standing by his side.
    Someone is always going to be held back, it's a fault in the system, as there are only 2 available seats.
     
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  3. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Yeah, who the **** is Carlos Sainz' dad anyway?
     
  4. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    A great rally driver but less of a politician.
     
  5. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Yeah, he's got no connections in F1 and he's never seen at races.
     
  6. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    The fact is Red Bull / Helmut are doing everything to pamper Max Verstappen over everyone else. Carlos Sainz is being considered a back up alternative should either driver in the current line up leave.


    I don't know what Red Bull were expecting from Kyvat either i) Get thrashed by Sainz ii) Thrash Sainz but not really giving him options to be promoted back to Red Bull?
     
  7. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    They did what Vlad told them.
     
  8. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    Of course Verstappen he's being pampered, because Red Bull know that every other team would snap him up. He's only 20 years old and possibly a part of Red Bulls future return to success.

    They expected Kvyat to return to his old form which promoted him to Red Bull in the first place. However, the demotion has contributed to a loss in confidence and morale on his part and thus, he isn't made for top level sport.
     
  9. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Kvyat is not, and never has been, good enough to drive for Red Bull. His 2014 form was awful; he got lucky that Vettel flew the coop when he did.

    There is one simple guiding principle in F1 ‘politics.’

    Money = Results = Publicity.

    Verstappen nigh-on guarantees results. Sainz is a little more of a risk. Kvyat isn’t going to deliver. Red Bull were not going to persist with Kvyat with Verstappen available, just as Renault quickly jettisoned Palmer when Sainz became an option.
     
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  10. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    As does controversy.
    controversy.
     
  11. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Kvyat has shown an equal, if not greater, aptitude for causing controversy by sticking his nose-cone into opponents. He’s even had an abortive run-in with Vettel.

    Verstappen is a better driver.
     
  12. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    His 2014 form was ok, considering he was a rookie. He raced next to Vergne who beat a slightly more experienced Ricciardo in 2012.
    Indeed, he got lucky in that a position became available, because of Vettel’s move to Ferrari, but he also beat Vergne to the seat. In 2015, he then went on to beat Ricciardo in his first year at Red Bull, an achievement that often seems to be forgotten.
    Where does that leave Ricciardo?

    He’s not as crap as he’s being made out to be, unless Ricciardo is crap too. Kvyat has the skills, but probably lack the mental capacity to handle the F1 politics.
     
  13. TR

    TR Rookie

    It think we can safely say that Ricciardo's 2015 season was very meh.
     
  14. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    So what?
    He got beaten by who "isn't and wasn't good enough" to drive for Red Bull.

    Also Il_leone Verstappen beat Sainz 49-18 and 13-4, whilst being teammates at Toro Rosso. It's hardly a surprise that Verstappen got the drive at Red Bull, promoting Sainz would've been like Renault replacing Hulkenberg instead of Palmer for Sainz this season.
     
  15. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Vettel was beaten by Ricciardo who was beaten by Kvyat who must have been better than Vettel then, as was Vergne who also beat Ricciardo.

    In fact when you look at it Vettel must indeed be crap.
     
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  16. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Ricciardo got beat by Narain Karthykaien one year.
     
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  17. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Red Bull's tune were so two faced from China to Russia

    Kyvat sticks his nose inside Vettel who thinks he was a bit OTT but gets a podium and the team congratulate him for great aggressive racing

    Next race he crashes and knocks Vettel out who whines he should get his licence banned and Horner/ Marko decide to kick him to the kerb in public.

    In the right team Kyvat will thrive maybe Red Bull should have promoted Jean Eric Vergne instead but they did not and in an unlike Red Bull manner they've gone for a driver over 25 years old in Hartley who admitted he was immature at 19 years old and needed to gain better experience and toughen to be ready for F1 now.

    Red Bull/ Toro Rosso for the first time in awhile haven't got enough young drivers with potential to choose from
     
  18. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    Dr. Marko made some charming remarks about Kvyat and his current drivers in an interview with a Spanish newspaper:

    **Marko: Kvyat is better than Gasly or Hartley**

    Helmut Marko, Red Bull consultant and presumably the person who promoted and fired Daniil Kvyat from F1, has praised the Russian driver. Actually, Marko thinks he is better driver than any of the two who have replaced him in Toro Rosso: Pierre Gasly and/or Brendon Hartley.

    "**I absolutely agree about Kvyat having more talent than Gasly or Hartley**. Unfortunately, he only showed it during his first year in Toro Rosso and Red Bull. Since then, his performances have fallen down drastically", has stated **Marko** according to Motorsport Italia.

    The 26's performance drop is due to various reasons. **Franz Tost**, his ex-boss in Faenza, **said recently that the main reason was that he was too optimistic during the first lap**. Marko, however, attributed other mechanical misfortunes that distanced him from his teammates. In addition, of course, to the psychological aspect.

    "He had problems with the brakes and the tyres, problems that -Daniel- Ricciardo didn't have, but **something has happened to him from a mental point of view. He lost pace and self-confidence, and we still don't know what is the reason for this**. I tried some things to bring him back to his previous level, but he didn't become like his former self again, and unfortunately we don't have any idea what happened", Marko assures.

    "There were too many incidents during race starts and **he didn't react very well to these situations, he isolated himself and didn't want to hear anyone say that it was sad**, because I remember at Monza and Spa, when he raced in GP3, when he demolished his rivals. He has done sensational races", concluded the melancholic version of the Austrian.
     
  19. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    The problem is Kyvat has not got any career progression possibilities at Red Bull given they have identified their first 3 choices so it is a matter of kicking him down when things are going tough that was going to put him in the spotlight

    You can blame the Renault engines but neither Hartley or Gasly have really shown what they can do . I think their inexperience and given the Honda engine could be a real baptism of fire or might just allow them to shine if the engine can hold it together for the race and is powerful
     
  20. Rutherford

    Rutherford Podium Finisher

    It’s time to remove the current tag here...
     
  21. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Why? Have Williams decided?
     

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