CTAs Most Underrated F1 driver of all time: Nominations

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  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Problem with Mansell he was a bit more physical with the car than either Senna or Prost at times
     
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  3. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    We've had a months worth of nominations RasputinLives, are you going to stick a poll on this one ??
     
  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives CTA Best Avatar Award Winner Contributor

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    I should do shouldn't I? I'll get on it
     
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  5. Chad Stewarthill

    Chad Stewarthill Champion Elect Contributor

    Damon Hill, just in case he hasn't been mentioned yet.
     
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  6. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Mario Andretti. People keep trotting out rubbish about how he only became WDC because Peterson was required to play second fiddle etc.

    To me, that is just one more example of how some people cannot accept that American race drivers are as good as any in the world.
     
  7. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    I'm glad you said some people, becuase I'm pretty sure that anyone who knows anything about F1 knows that Andretti revolutionised the way a driver interacts with his engineers in terms of car set ups. Andretti was made for the ground effect era because he truly understood how minor adjustments to a car could dramatically increase performance. More often than not, Ronnie would get himself in a tangle over car set up, tell his engineers to just stick Mario's set up on the car and he'd go out and drive it.

    Yes, there were team orders but no, Mario won that title on merit and not only that, won in many different series and types of car. Still winning in Indy Car 14 years after his title. A great driver by anyones standards.
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Mario Andretti is the standard bearer that American drivers aspire to
     
  9. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Mario Andretti, from my perspective at least, has to rank as one of the greatest all round drivers. Here's my homage to the great Italian American.

    http://cliptheapex.com/threads/clip-the-apex-hall-of-fame.1175/
     
  10. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Chad Stewarthill

    Good choice he use to get a lot of hammering because it was the Newey Williams he competed and it was either

    i) He wins because he had the best car
    ii) He did not win because he was :censored:

    Schumacher really used it to his advantage especially when the British press were hammering Hill as well for inept driving

    Obviously his reputation went up after he left Williams seeing how Villeneuve made a real mess of his campaign and fortuitous title in 97

    Hockenheim 97 " If Damon Hill was still driving for Williams, he would have been leading the world championship " Bernard Dudot - head of Renault sport's comment to why Williams are not leading the championship despite having the best car

    His seasons at Arrows and Jordan made the teams look better than they ought to
     
  11. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    iirc, in 1998 he scored 2 points while his team-mate had an outside shot at the title.
     
  12. Slyboogy

    Slyboogy World Champion Contributor

    teabagyokel no one scored 2 points in 1998.

    I presume you mean 1999? Hill scored 7 points in that season while his team mate Frentzen was the dark horse for the title.
     
  13. Lewywo4

    Lewywo4 Race Winner

    I would also place Dan Gurney on a par with Andretti, even though he never won a world championship. Gurney like Andretti was competitive in anything that he drove, stock cars, indy cars, sports cars and F1. Alot must be said for any driver, who Jimmy Clark's father said, was the man who Jimmy feared the most............That's one hell of a compliment.

    Dan also must be credited with starting a traditon, which is now shared by many forms of motorsport today, after his Le Mans victory.......spraying of the champagne.
     
  14. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan. Contributor

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  15. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    I think that Gunnar Nilsson has escaped most people's attention as he died at a very early age from cancer. In the Lotus 78, he proved a very good driver and an excellent backup to Andretti and was maturing rapidly. I felt he was destined to be a WDC some day, but unfortunately was never to be given the chance.
     
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  16. tooncheese

    tooncheese Hans Heyer Contributor

    Has Rene Arnoux been mentioned yet? You don't get 18 poles and 7 wins without being fantastically quick. It's such a shame he is more well known for breaking down in the Renault, and being a nuisance in the Ligier.
     
  17. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Slyboogy - 1999, yes. I did not realise he'd have scored as much as 7 points that year!
     
  18. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    tooncheese

    Arnoux was talented but he did not seem to have the application at the highest level consistently
     
  19. Johnny Carwash

    Johnny Carwash Champion Elect Contributor

    Francois Cevert. He had all the attributes to be a world champion. It was such a shame that he never got the chance to fulfill he potential.
     
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    Patrese.
     
  21. Fenderman

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    This thread is a bit confusing. I think in terms of the OP a number of drivers have been mentioned who didn't reach their potential who were actually highly rated in their day. Of the latest entries in this thread, Cevert is a fine example of a hot tip to take a title or two had he lived. Damon Hill may have gone on to further glory had he kept his seat at Williams, or landed a seat with a top team, instead of ending up in the Arrows and Jordan in the twilight of his career.

    My point is that the OP calls for nominations for the most under-rated driver of all time. Whether or not drivers like Hill or Cevert were under-rated by some they are hardly contenders for that title. Methinks we are overdue for the Poll list but I don't envy the task RasputinLives has set himself in compiling the list. Best of luck there then.
     
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