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Converting poles to wins

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by cider_and_toast, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    It's the comparisons that can be trivial, not the records. Obvious but important distinction. Hamilton's record stands up on its own merit, regardless of anyone else's. They are all relevant for their era and competition at that time, but much less so when placed against each other. Yadda yadda bring on the time trials
     
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  3. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    But to "break" a record you have to have a comparator. Yes, Hamilton's achievement is fantastic but all we are being told is that "he has beaten Schumacher's record". Well woop de doo, as you say the two are not comparable. In exactly the same way as when Prost passed Stewart's record for race wins. It was a great achievement by Prost, it meant nothing in comparison to Stewart, unless there is some statistician out there who can actually work out a way to genuinely compare the achievement of two very disparate times or find a time machine to move the drivers in to different eras.
     
  4. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    "the much larger number of races on the calender" is an additional burden on the driver
    but certainly not the fact that the championship is easier to win

    With all due respect to the merits of Schumacher
    for many fans of Formula 1 the years of sole dominance Schumacher were
    one of the most dull for the championship.
    The champion was determined far away before the end of the season
    and was not even a hint of any competition.

    I have nothing against the Indy 500. I'm just not interested this american kind of race.
    But since you brought it up as an example...
    Well, Yes. And the driver of the Indy 500 can be women or those
    who because of their physical form is simply not to fit into a Formula 1 car.
    Or example Takumo Sato. He is very good now in Indy 500 but in Formula 1
    he regularly lost to his teammates.

    Alonso is certainly a great driver.
    But when a person comes without experience in this championship
    and is fighting for the podium against the leaders
    it does not speak as plus for this championship.
    Hamilton just answered the question. And what is not right in his words?
    He could either refuse to answer or tell the false.
     
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  5. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    vintly
    The record is trivial. The record says nothing except that a driver achieved X amount of poles during his career without taking other factors into account.
     
  6. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Rutherford 7,640,000 Google search results for the term 'Hamilton pole record' says it isn't trivial ;)

    I appreciate it may be trivial to you, fair enough, but it's not trivial per se.
     
  7. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    There are prob more google searches for Cat video so do we have to take those serious too? ;)
     
  8. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    vintly Not all of the articles are about the pole record. You simply found a bunch of articles including at minimum one of those words...
    What does it mean then, if it's not trivial?

    Of course, it's something for the Sky reporters to get off on, but for the rest? Nah.
     
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  9. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    You take his words too seriously.
    This is the usual trolling.
    And in general the perception of such records is highly dependent
    on whose fan you are.
    It is not surprising that fans of Schumacher or Hamilton's haters
    now claim that record with a poles means nothing.

    For example Kimi fans claim that the record for fast laps in the race -
    it's very cool.
     
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  10. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    Thanks for the laugh. LOL

    Where can I collect the sticker 'Certified Hater'?
    It's a matter of personal opinion whether one attributes a meaning to records.
     
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  11. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Precisely. Which is why I said I appreciate it may be trivial to you. Your angst at others finding pole records more interesting, is actually quite trivial.
     
  12. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Moderator chat.

    Please keep the conversation polite. Things are starting to get a little personal.

    Thanks.

    CaT the Mod
     
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