Climate change, global warming & the environment

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  1. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    I might buy an electric car.
     
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  3. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    All we need to do is get big companies to find a way of making shed loads of money out of being Carbon Neutral and its problem solved.
     
  4. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    My neighbour has an electric car, he says there aren't really enough places to charge them yet, but then the authorities say there aren't enough electric cars on the road to spend the money putting in places to charge them, so people don't buy them because there aren't enough places to charge them and..... are you seeing the problem here?
     
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  5. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    I’m also considering buying an electric car, my gas guzzler has to go. I know people with e-cars who say it’s easy enough to find charge-points, once you’ve got an account with all the various operators. So it’s a bit of hassle but once up and running it’s supposedly straightforward. They regularly drive to Germany and back, completely free, and quite enjoy the logistics of planning a route with stops to charge and rest or eat etc. Best thing to at the mo is write to your MP imploring him/her to argue for more charge points.

    My main block is price. Them cars is well pricey. I assume the prices will be high for a while so that the manufacturers’ investments in fossil fuel-burning ICEs doesn’t disappear overnight. Hope they come down sooner than later. And if you’re gonna go electric go electric. Not one of these hybrids or one with a small secondary petrol engine for emergencies, full electric. I think.
     
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  6. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Have they devised an eco-friendly way to dispose of the batteries? The last I heard, they went into toxic landfills.
     
  7. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    1 in 12 cars sold last year was electric. The change is coming. vintly second hand Renault Zoe's start at around 7k.
     
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  8. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Aye Greenlantern101 that looks a sensible deal, but I need something bigger. Are you thinking Zoe?
     
  9. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    Yeh zoe is my best option. Everything else is too expensive. Don't fancy the Nissan Leaf the active pedal sounds weird.

    Zoe looks good though. Going to arrange a test drive.
     
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  10. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Subscribe to Fully Charged on YouTube, it'll blow your mind.
     
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    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    I've just ordered a new hybrid to replace by old diesel, however, motor cars are the least of our worries. The simple act of existing means you are using resources which cannot be recovered and as a result emit stuff in to the atmosphere which will have an adverse effect. The only true way we can control environmental issues is to control population levels.

    If any of you would like to see what is emitted where you can have a look through here - NAEI, UK National Atmospheric Emissions Inventory - NAEI, UK
     
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  12. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    Population control is the ultimate taboo. Nobody mentions it. Ever.

    I'm off to plant some trees.
     
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  13. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Except David Attenborough
     
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    So Australia, America and China not about to save the planet then. Not looking good for my grandchildren.
     
  16. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    Australia has zero excuses. A massive inland desert suitable for massive solar farms, and surrounded by ocean for tidal and wind farms. Get a grip mate.
     
  17. Andyoak

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    And the biggest uranium mines.
     
  18. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    None of the above-mentioned three have any excuse except greed. None of the governments give a hoot about the environment if they can make more money by continuing to pollute.
     
  19. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Terrifying moment waves destroy building in seconds
     
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    I do find it amazing that countries with such high levels of sunshine can't bring themselves to build solar power stations. There are lots of ways to store the energy beyond our obsession with batteries, which use up huge amounts of other limited resources, leaving much of the fossil reserves we have either untouched or able to be used to make other things.

    Too much vested interest I suppose. Witness the "earthquakes" in Lancashire due to fracking when there is still tonnes and tonnes of coal on this island which could be used as a feedstock for the chemical industry just as easily.
     
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  21. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    The number of people in the world is now estimated to be 7.7 billion. A few weeks ago there was a report saying that the world could only grow enough food for 9.5 billion; however there have been many forecasts in the past which have said much lower figures as farming has become more efficient and some countries have cleared more land for growing food. At about the same time there was the news that a white British woman had borne her 21st child - "we only started out to have three" she said.

    World population - Wikipedia :

    "A July 2017 study published in Environmental Research Letters argued that the most significant way individuals could mitigate their own carbon footprint is to have fewer children, followed by living without a vehicle, forgoing air travel and adopting a plant-based diet."

    "By 2050 population growth, along with profligate consumption, could result in oceans containing more plastic than fish by weight."

    Now we are told that we are close to the point where the greenhouses gases in the atmosphere are close to the point where the temperature rise starts to spiral out of control.

    The future looks bleak unless either the scientists are wrong or the world population collapses.

    Personally I think that the ideal would be to lower the population to half what it currently is, this would remove the pressure on mass migration leading to a more relaxed attitude and allow us to get to grips with issues like plastic oceans.

    I always was a pessimist, please tell me that I am wrong.
     

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