Big Money Or Championship Wins?

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by Angel, Jun 21, 2018.

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  2. A car capable of winning the championship?

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  1. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Il_leone

    I don't understand how Hamilton can have such leverage either. He got beaten by one teammate, and hasn't exactly embarrassed Bottas, whom they have obviously designated as the underling.
     
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  3. maybe it's a matter of marketing
     
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  4. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    I passed my test back in November & i would recommed it. But weirdly watching F1 hindered me because it took me long time to get out of the habit of late braking that i so used to
     
  5. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Maybe it's a matter of being a four time world champion.
     
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  6. sure but as Siffert_fan correctly pointed out Hamilton had been beaten on track by Rosberg in 2014 until the events at Budapest-Spa-Monza where Rosberg was forced to succumb to team orders that resulted in Hamilton taking the WDC (and I believe that had the natural course of events taken place and Rosberg won the WDC that year the story of the next couple of seasons would have been very different), in 2015 Rosberg was a beaten man (and it might well be that there were team orders at play), and that's at least 2 WDC that maybe Hamilton didn't really fully deserve, after that (I quote from Il Leone who put it very nicely) he "hasn't exactly embarrassed Bottas", yes the same man that was often behind none other than Felipe Massa at Williams.

    I accept that in pure driving terms Hamilton is probably the best out there, the point is that despite his talent and always having either the very best car or thereabout IMHO he hasn't really set the world on fire in pure sporting terms, he has won a lot but very often he has benefited from a big helping hand by the team, and personally I struggle to justify such helping hand, such undisputed #1 status on what Hamilton has achieved on track
     
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  7. Angel

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    Publius, you know I'm no fan of Hamilton and I totally agree with you, I don't understand why he's lauded as such a super hero of F1 either. Some of his wins have been way more luck than judgement, hell even his first title was down to bad weather and a Toyota that couldn't keep it together. (I felt so bad for Massa that day).

    Given the car he's been driving he should have won those championships at Mercedes, it's been a lot faster than the rest. So yeah, I don't understand all the hype about him myself either as you know.
     
  8. sorry I made a mistake, the reference was to Siffert_fan
     
  9. Titch

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    siffert_fan is Bottas the designated underling? Or does he just drive like the underling. I think Mercedes would love him to succeed.
     
  10. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Bottas drives like Bottas, which isn’t quite as fast as Hamilton. There’s nothing more to it.

    Angellica surely you understand the Hammy hype? I’m no fan either but his speed is undoubted, especially on a Saturday.
     
  11. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    I do understand the hype, but I dislike him so much I choose to believe he's not that good because it suits me to ;) It's my own weird female logic LOL
     
  12. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Ah ok Angellica, thanks for clarifying :)
     
  13. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    No problem vintly :)

    Question, why do names not come up coloured when I type them and others do? What am I doing wrong/differently?
     
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  14. gethinceri

    gethinceri Daniil Kvyat Fan. Contributor

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    Use the @ symbol before the name Angellica
     
  15. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Thanks gethinceri:thumbsup:

    Look at that, it works like a charm when you know how to do it :D
     
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  16. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    If you were Ricciardo today I think its clear that the team he does not join is Mclaren for a start
     
  17. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Agreed II_leone
     
  18. Clay

    Clay Test Driver

    Rosberg wasn’t much better than Schumacher in 2011 and 2012, it doesn’t really speak for Hamilton that he could only just keep Rosberg at arms length.

    Unless Schumacher is the greatest of all time.
     
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  19. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    And don't forget that, as one Indy car driver pointed out, he came in second in a two-car championship to that very Rosberg.
     
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  20. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, it looks like Ricciardo is going to sign with Red Bull for two years. I actually think he would be better off with the 5 year contract at McLaren (if they are willing to sign so long...maybe 3 and options), then two years at Red Bull. My reasoning:

    1. While he will get wins are Red Bull.....he will be the defacto the #2 driver, although they will claim otherwise.
    2. When he goes job hunting in 2021....there will not be a lot of options because drivers like Hulkenburg, Perez, Ocon, Gasly and Leclerc will have filled up all positions worth having.
    3. If he goes to McLaren for 5 (or 3 +2) years, he will not win any races in the next two years but.....McLaren will certainly come back to some degree, especially if the budget cap comes into place in 2021.
    4. He potentially is leading a contending team in 2021-2023 under the new regulations and budget cap era. This is a good position to be in.
    5. It is demoralizing to be a #2 and motivating to be a lead driver on a team.
    6. He will also make more money.
    7. Going to McLaren he at least has a slim chance of winning a WDC in the next five years. I don't think he has much of a chance otherwise.

    But....I always have a bias towards taking the "road less traveled" as opposed to the obvious and safe option. It is how I have lead and mis-lead my life. ;)
     
  21. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    I don't see McLaren getting anywhere near going for regular podiums in the next 5 years.
    They are following the same path as Lotus and Williams... just faster.

    And I'm not convinced Hulkenburg and Perez are going anywhere else except down the team rankings over the next few years. In my opinion they have both reached their natural level.
     

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