Ayrton Senna

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  1. Fenderman

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  3. Johnny Carwash

    Johnny Carwash Champion Elect Contributor

    Can't believe that it 19 years ago today that Ayrton Senna died.
     
  4. ZakspeedYakspeed

    ZakspeedYakspeed NeverUnderestimateThePredictabilityOfStupidity Premium Contributor

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    If ony Seb had quoted Ayrton after Malaysia ... rather than his typical warbling unstoppable predisposition to explain every little thing that happened to HIM during a lap, race, etc...

    "You must take the compromise to win, or else nothing. That means: you race or you do not"
    "I am not designed to come second or third, I am designed to win"

    http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/ayrton_senna.html

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  5. Blog Zbod

    Blog Zbod Podium Finisher

    Ayrton Senna Demanded in Written to be Lotus's No. 1 Driver, Shows 1987 Contract

    ...[H]e demanded in written to be the No.1 driver, with the priority to choose parts. He won a bonus for points and was promised a prize if he won the title. He wasn't obliged to participate in the advertising campaign of the cigarette brand that sponsored the team and was forbidden from practicing extreme sports. For fiscal reasons, he promised to move out of England....
     
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  6. Incubus

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    *Warning, anoraky comment to follow*

    I was amused to read the part about Ayrton being contractually prevented rom riding motorbikes... the 1986-87 edition of Autocourse has in its back pages a pic of him about to ride one on his way to (or from) his hotel room.

    Maybe Ayrton was no great respecter of contracts when their terms didn't suit him, as Alex Hawkridge (Toleman team principal) would tell you. :)
     
  7. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    I don't think that Ayrton was a great respecter of anything much, he may have been a great racer (Even in racing he pulled off some pretty dubious moves at times.) but that doesn't mean he was a great person in every manner of things, just like everyone else he had his bad points, he certainly isn't a deity....
     
  8. RasputinLives

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    Did a massive amount for charity though which tends to tip the scales over to decent bloke in my thinking.
     
  9. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    Yes he did, for the poor in his native country, I tip my hat to that....
     
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  10. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    The thing to remember about his 1987 contract was the fact that the Lotus boss, Peter Warr, would have fed his own grandmother to a a rabid lion to keep Senna in the team for that season. It did look at one point that he would leave at the end of 86 for a new team but Senna, knew his worth while at the same time having some loyalty to the team he was with.The being number 1 was never an issue as, in order to help ensure a supply of Honda engines, Lotus took on Nakajima Snr.

    Senna entered into negotiations with Lotus for 1988 but knowing full well he held the cards, the retainer he wanted for 1988 was far more than Lotus could afford.
     
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  11. Blog Zbod

    Blog Zbod Podium Finisher

    Senna clearly held an unshakeable confidence in his motor skills and no fear for his mortal soul. He exemplified the belief that when the stonemason chisels the dates of birth and death onto your headstone, the only part that matters is the little dash between them.
     
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  12. Bushi

    Bushi Pole Sitter

    Don't know if this has been posted yet.
    A ghost lap of Senna at Suzuka:

     
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  13. Greenlantern101

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    That was around the whole lap at Suzuka? how many speakers, amplifiers, miles of cable etc did that need. Mental...in a good way.
     
  14. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Greenlantern101 - Probably less at Suzuka considering the compactness of the venue.
     
  15. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    I've never really bought into the Senna sensationalism, greatest driver thingy most of the time he was arrogant and the rest of the time a cheat, with bits of brilliance thrown in for good measure, but then I didn't rate Prost all that much either, or Mansell, they simply raced at probably the most exiting time in F1's history when sparks were flying and turbos where blowing and so they became memorable but not always for the right reasons...

    And that's me saying it as I see it....
     
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  16. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Senna was about so much more than the driver, there was a cult of personality which should be quite uncomfortable. Few call Senna's relentless pole-grabbing and sometimes winning from the front dull, although that hasn't carried over to other drivers.

    He never really beat Prost. His victory in 1988 highlighted a flaw of the scoring system soon rectified, and it is that which suggests GOAT status has insubstantial evidence.
     
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    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Senna was a fabulous racing driver but a flawed human being. His untimely death has raised him to the level of saint hood which probably isn't deserved but then witness the number of people who go to visit the grave of Jim Morrison in Paris, the fat, drunk, screeching knob end that he was. I should like to point out that I went to the Pere Lachaise Cemetery to pay homage at the grave of Oscar Wilde and just happened to pass Morrison's grave, so there!
     
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  18. The Artist.....

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    Yes, we believe you... Thousands wouldn't ;)
     
  19. Blog Zbod

    Blog Zbod Podium Finisher

    I have to lump Senna in with Dale Earnhardt. It evidences a deep character flaw that someone with such undeniable talents would resort to such thuggish behaviour on the circuit. Not cricket.

    I suspect my priest would prescribe a lesser penance for seeking out Morrison's grave than Wilde's. Wilde also was a drunk, but Morrison was neither a poof nor a paedophile.

    What sort of man inspires his followers to create for him a burial tomb prominently featuring a John Thomas? And what sort of deviant thinks a cemetery a fit place to teach children about reproductive anatomy? Paris' gendarmes originally considered Wilde's tomb too lewd (Too lewd? For Paris? Sacré bleu! ) so cemetery management added a modesty plaque. Then some students objecting to the censorship removed the plaque, but also broke off the underlying marriage tackle in the doing. Which is why the monument to Wilde remains emasculated to this day.

    Come to think of it, Wilde and Morrison both remind me of James Hunt in that all three are as infamous (or moreso) for their debauchery as they are famous for their accomplishments.
     
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  20. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Rather read the camp ramblings of Wilde's than listen to Morrison's cat-a-walling any day. And yes, I do realise Oscar Wilde was hardly a paragon of virtue I just wanted to have a pop at Jim Morrison as he was a knob.

    By the way, it really is the "graveyard of the rich and famous". Also saw the graves of Edith Piaf, Marcel Marso (approximate spelling), Yves Montand and Voldermort (at least he looks like him).

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  21. Mephistopheles

    Mephistopheles Banned Contributor

    This is all very fascinating stuff and yes Wilde was a "Poof." (Not a word I would have chosen to use and it doesn't make him a bad person.) but it was only alleged that he was a pedophile which is not the same as actually being one.

    But this has naff all to do with Ayrton Senna...
     
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