Discussion in 'Drivers' started by FB, Aug 16, 2011.
What race was that from?
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) with Alain Prost during the summer break. Here are some vignettes from the Aussie's BBC column:
The highlight of my break was cycling up the famous Alpe d'Huez Tour de France stage with four-time F1 world champion Alain Prost for a feature in the 22 September issue of F1 Racing magazine.
The two of us also cycled up another Col on our own before we did the main ride, and it was great to spend some time with Alain and chat on the ride as well as over dinner the night before.
The other times I've met him have been at functions ... but this was different.
He is 56 now, but still in phenomenal shape - I think he's a kilo lighter than when he was racing.
It's a beautiful part of the world, great weather, and it was great to talk about bikes, about his racing days, and F1 at the moment.
I used to follow him in my teenage days and enjoyed all his great battles with Ayrton Senna. I told him how disappointed I was that he didn't race in the 1991 Adelaide Grand Prix. I drove over there from New South Wales with my dad, who was a massive Prost fan, but he had been fired by Ferrari after the previous race, so we didn't get to see him.
Here's part of it:
Yet to this day Prost is to a degree undervaluedYes, mainly due to crap like this:
Senna went to McLaren with the aim of crushing Prost and while he was unquestionably the better driver in their two years at McLaren...Points 1988-89: Prost 186, Senna 154
You have to blame the scoring systems for this where it only allowed 11 out of 16 races to determine world champion
Senna thrashed Prost in quali ... which Alain admitted he had to give up and simply concentrate on race set up
Senna became Prost as Prost became Lauda when they paired up. Senna simply wanted to do everything at greater intensity to beat Prost and drove Prost insane
Senna proved not only was he faster but he was politically better than Prost to drive him out of Mclaren
Prost admitted 1989 was his worst season in F1 despite becoming world champion
and also if Senna wants to die for the world championship he would give it to him
Monaco 1988 springs to mind how Senna outqualified Prost by 1.4 seconds which was unheard of
Prost's legacy would have been greater were it not for Senna
Who won that race?
... and the fact that people are so readily willing to ignore the fact that over two years as team-mates, Prost scored 32 points more than Senna did.
The amount of points scored is the measure of an F1 driver, is it not? That's how they tot up the scores at the end of the season. But when Senna's involved, we suddenly want to measure it on poles, wins (ie. a medal system - pooh-poohed when Bernie suggested it), driving style, whether or not Ron Dennis liked him or the yellowness of his helmet.
So in Alain Prost's worst season, despite being the unfavoured son to his team-principal, he beat Ayrton Senna to win the World Championship in the same car by 16 points over his best 11 races and 21 points over the lot?
With bad years like that...
For me, Senna was the G.O.A.T. because it was, all duck or no dinner. That's not to say that I didn't think Prost was a class driver, he just went about his job in a different way. I.M.H.O.
teabagyokel Here's something to think about though, Senna became the 1988 world champion despite Prost scoring more points throughout the entire season than Senna (105 points to Senna's 94). However due to the rules at the time where only the best 11 results out of the 16 races counted towards the final championship standings Senna won the title due to his greater proportion of wins (8 to Prost's 7).
So who was the better driver that season? The points say Prost, the wins & the title which is the main goal says Senna.
Viscount - Got to say Senna on the 1988 season, but he certainly was not "unquestionably" the better over 2 years.
teabagyokel I agree with you there. It's just they were both great drivers in such different ways that people will always compare them differently.
Senna may have won '88 but Prost's consistent high-level of driving was pretty amazing, he finished top 2 every single race that year apart from 2 races and out of those 2, 1 was a mechanical retirement the other questionable.
Quali I think people were stunned to see Senna go so much faster than Prost in the same car which was unheard of
the race ; It was a puncture that was the reason for his retirement not a mistake as it was lead to believe
Stats - yes apart from wins and poles Prost was more consistent because Senna had more of the unreliability woes but that probably had to do with his more intense driving style as well
- although some would say Honda gave Senna the more powerful engines
" This is my worst season in F1"
- yep Prost said that having to fight Senna at an intense level which even he knew was not worth risking - on the track and politically hence the comment
" If Senna wants to die for the world title he can have it "
Blimey. The things you learn.... never ever heard that one before.
Not even from Senna when he talked about the incident...
Incubus - I never heard that one either...
When you make a claim such as this (the tyre puncture at Monaco), which nobody else has EVER heard, please provide the source of this knowledge, so the claim has something to back it up. Otherwise, eveyone will think such a claim is pure ba_loney.
It has been belated posted on ITV and BBC that Senna did indeed have a puncture not a mistake when he crushed on Monaco.
Senna not to blame for Monaco '88
Sunday, 21, May, 2006, 16:00
McLaren chief mechanic Neil Trundle has shed new light on one of the most notorious upsets in Formula 1 history.
In an interview in this month's F1 Racing magazine (on sale next week), Trundle revealed that Ayrton Senna's famous crash in the 1988 Monaco Grand Prix was probably the result of a slow puncture rather than a driver error.
Senna had absolutely dominated the Monaco weekend and was heading for a certain victory when he understeered into the Portier barrier with just 11 laps remaining.
The legendary Brazilian was distraught afterwards, but Trundle reckons he was not actually to blame.
"We still suspect he had a slow puncture in one of the rear tyres," Trundle revealed.
"The car was sliding around, but he stuck with it rather than changing the tyre."
The Monaco accident has been cited as a turning point in Senna's career, and Trundle agrees that it had a profound effect on the thoughtful Brazilian.
"The accident changed him," said Trundle.
"It made him even deeper and more committed."
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