Grand Prix 2019 Canadian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by FB, May 29, 2019.

  1. Ruslan

    Ruslan Points Scorer

    It is always a possibility. I have done walks around the track and seen all kinds of little animals. It is just a park most of the year.
     
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  3. F1Brits_90

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    this is intresting & ive heard rumours of this growing that the Mercedes dominance is only down to having the tyres in the window & Ferrari struggling bar Bahrain & baku until the sun went in during qualifying. Ferrari and Red Bull lead a front by teams who want to get back to the tires with thicker tread. & saying it is terrible for the show.

    Red Bull sports director Helmut Marko railed: "It can not be that the tires decide everything. It does not matter how good your car is. If you do not hit the window, you have no chance.

    Lobby gegen dünne Reifen: Pirelli lehnt schnelle Maßnahmen ab
     
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  4. sobriety

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    I'd argue that if you car isn't designed to get the tyres into their optimal operating window and maintain them there, then it isn't a well designed car.
     
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  5. Ruslan

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    So far this appears to be the story for the season. For some reason, Mercedes has been able to deal with the thinner tires, while Ferrari has struggled with them. Now....if they suddenly switched back to thicker tires, would Ferrari and Red Bull suddenly be competitive?
     
  6. Angel

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    The tyres shouldn't be the deciding factor in who wins and who doesn't in my opinion. It should be down to the car and the driver. I get the tyres are part of the car and you could argue the most important part given they're the only part on the track, but they shouldn't be the crucial part surely.
     
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  7. F1Brits_90

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    i think yes because they spent yrs down the road preserving tyres. & now this thinner tyres need to be worked harder. which was mercedes weakness has become their stength
     
  8. F1Brits_90

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    according to Andrew benson on twitter. all teams have a new mercedes engine this weekend but considering it bottas issue on Friday & stroll blown engine in fp3. might not be reliable
     
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  9. sobriety

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    I agree, and I'd argue that all aspects of the car are equally important, if you balls up one area of the design hard, then you will be a lot less competitive, and while I'm not a fan of merc always winning, buggering about with the formula mid-season for the sake of the show is, frankly, bullshit.

    By all means change it up in the off season so the teams have to do some thinking, but if your thinking wasn't as good as someone elses, then don't piss and moan and try to get the rules changed mid season. Work out what's wrong, and fix your car, there isn't a budget cap, and RedBull/Ferrari have more or less infinite resources, so get to it, boys and girls.
     
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  10. Johnny Carwash

    Johnny Carwash Champion Elect Contributor

    Daniel Ricciardo qualifying 4th was the stand out drive for me in Qualifying today.With a few cars out of position on the grid we could also be in for a better race than normal tomorrow.
     
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  11. olegg

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  12. Ruslan

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    Yea, I wonder about the wisdom of that decision. If I had a new engine I would give to William first to run for the weeekend. If there are problems, it is not like you are going to ruin their weekend.
     
  13. olegg

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  14. olegg

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  15. Ruslan

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    So why did Vettel outqualify Hamilton? Is it

    1. Because Vettel ran a great lap?
    2. Because Hamilton ran a not-so-great lap?
    3. Because Ferrari finally got the tires to work?
    4. Because Ferrari simply had too much power at this track for Mercedes?
     
  16. Angel

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    5. Vettel found his rhythm

    Oh and 6. I think Mercedes new upgrade might be like some of the Ferrari ones recently, as in not really an upgrade.
     
  17. rufus_mcdufus

    rufus_mcdufus Champion Elect

    The onboard from Bottas in the Q3 showed he was really on edge. The car looked pretty horrible. I was impressed how he managed to keep it out of the wall (and I don't just mean his sideways excursion).
     
  18. Izumi

    Izumi Points Scorer

    • Vettel is a good driver.
    • Track characteristics complementing Ferrari strong point. (I wish I would know which one it is.)
    • Tires under ambient conditions grudgingly (for once) cooperated.
    ‘Canada pole proves Ferrari got car concept wrong'

    That's what happen if you cannot test on real track (as opposed to evaluation of image on your computer).
     
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  19. HansyRod

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    That one is clear: straight line speed. Ferrari obliterated everyone on Sector 3, and didn't lose as much time on the other sectors (of which a good portion are straights as well). Vettel was quite higher than everyone else on the speed trap, as well.
     
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  20. Ruslan

    Ruslan Points Scorer

    Yep. You can see that in the sector times in olegg post, where Hamilton is faster in the first two sectors but Vettel is clearly faster in the third one.

    Here are the speed trap times: Montreal Speed Trap: who is the fastest of them all?

    What stands out is how fast the Ferraris are and how slow the Red Bulls are.
     
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  21. Il_leone

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    Canada is unique in that its described as a fast Monaco . There are not many slow twisty corners nor any fast corners so neither mechanical grip or downforce is critical. Its mainly accelerate and heavily brake , the long back straights where Ferrari have the advantage is giving them up to 0.4 seconds of a lap.

    So if Vettel gets cleanly away then he can control the race but if Hamilton can get in front of him then potentially Vettel could be in for a tough afternoon following the dirty air. It will be interesting to see if LeClerc is keeping up pace with the two of them how Ferrari will react now if he demands to move over Vettel
     
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