Grand Prix 2018 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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  1. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    It's a great event, but Saturday is the highlight - almost always.
     
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  3. Fenderman

    Fenderman Rooters Reporter

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    Yup, mostly always.
     
  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Sky have released their crazy as driver ratings again

    Monaco GP driver ratings

    Bit harsh on Bottas I think.
     
  5. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    What bizarre ratings. For a start it was not possible to rate the top five because Ricciardo was limping along through no fault of his own, the next four were all in the queue following him, it even looked like Trulli was back. The comments about the tyres were odd as Hamiltom actually fell back more that Vettel in those last few laps. And as for Bottas, he actually got closer to the driver in front of him and for longer than the others in front of him.

    I will be so pleased when Sky no longer own F1.
     
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  6. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    Monaco GP: Jolyon Palmer column - Is it time to make changes?

    Another one?

    It seems that a hell of a lot of scales have fallen from eyes this weekend. Yes, the spectacle wasn't great, but there's a simple fact that loads seem to be ignoring. This. Is. Monaco. This is what it has been like for many, many years. In 2012, it started to rain in the latter stages of the race and Mark Webber backed off so he didn't wall it. The top six in that race finished within six seconds of the winner; that's not a recommendation as to how close it was but a condemnation of how little threat the leader was under even with a whole cast of challengers on his tail.

    In 2011, Jenson Button lost the Monaco Grand Prix pitting with the effect of surrendering track position, in the expectation that the two leaders' tyres would go off. A red flag means we never found out if those tyres would have gone off and a lengthy circular argument ensued on this website. But it has become clear that the only thing that matters is track position; get into Turn One first, then don't cock the strategy up and you have won the Monaco Grand Prix. Annually it is predictable. Annually it is dull. Over the last four years, three have been won because of a pit error (HAM 2015, RIC 2016, RAI 2017) and allowed another past (ROS 2015, HAM 2016, VET 2017), and the other has been won by a car that had actually failed.

    I struggle to work out how Palmer intends to improve the racing at Monaco by whacking harder tyres on the cars. The drivers would still back off; why wouldn't you? You can't hope to pass, and if you can't be threatened from behind unless a much faster car has erred its way behind you. Unless they're fools, they won't push. While blaming Pirelli for everything has been Formula One's media modus operandi for the last seven years, the fault is not theirs either.

    Circuit de Monaco was described on TV as the "best racing circuit in the world" this weekend. It isn't. It's not even a racing circuit. It's a collection of streets. Even then, it's a narrow, twisty collection of streets. It is wholly insufficient to be hosting a Formula One event (and it's not even close). It is run in, by and in the style of a hereditary monarchy: anachronistic, high-society, entrenched, unchallengable, propagandist, dull and unquestioned. It had run its course at least twenty years ago, and they should all be aware of this.

    Keep it on the calendar because of the tradition, the champagne or the prestige if you want, but don't delude anyone that this should be a good race, and it is the fault of any organisation or group if it isn't. This is Monaco, it's what you want to keep and it is what you'll get, year in year out, until it is removed from the calendar.

    Considering, however, that the number one criticism of Formula One from non-fans is that it is over-privileged, processional and just plain dull, how does it look to the rest of the world that the race held up to be its crown jewel is all of those things in excelsis. How do you sell a sport by making this event your shop window? Frankly, anything worth preserving about Monaco can be found at Monza anyway...
     
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  7. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Martin Brundle said on twitter that Monaco is a race everyone is talking about. Well they are, but are they talking about it for the right reasons?

    Now I'm sure from his perspective actually being there is a very different prospect to what we mere fans sat at home watching on the tv experience. For years we haven't really seen a true race there. Sure it can be incident filled, it can get hairy when it rains, but more often than not it's a procession that seems to go on for far too long.

    I agree with a lot of what has been said here, it's a tradition, it's a big deal because it's Monaco and we all know that if drivers lose concentration they can bin the car in spectacular style. It's dangerous by the nature of the circuit and barriers, but it's not exactly a race. There is almost nowhere to overtake and even the DRS (which I don't like by the way as it's artificial) hasn't managed to encourage more overtaking here. If only they could run the Monaco race at a decent track like Spa instead :snigger:
     
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  8. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    The number of on-track overtakes has made it into double figures five times in the past ten seasons, reaching a "peak" of 28 in the (dry) 2011 event. So part of the problem is that the current wide-track chassis make it hard to follow closely; and Pirelli's new conservatism means the lap time differential between old and new tyres is much less. Notwithstanding this, though, passing is extremely difficult, undoubtedly. Any tension in the race must rest on mechanical unreliability, or drivers making mistakes - and the necessity to preserve rubber and lengthen stints makes these much less likely.

    The benefit of the current regulations was seen in qualifying, which personally I enjoyed enormously, particularly the onboard camera footage. The challenge of accuracy for the drivers is incredible, and everything is happening much faster now than it was for Senna, Prost, Villeneuve and co. So I'd keep it on the calendar solely for that combination of spectacle and history (albeit the circuit has changed more than commentators would have us believe).
     
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  9. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    I think 2011 was exceptional in many ways; broadly speaking the drivers believed that the cliff could come into account, and reacted accordingly.

    I wonder how much the Caterham/HRT/Marussia situation contributed many of those overtakes (but thanks for reminding me that Van Der Garde actually had a Formula One stint).
     
  10. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    It's usually crap, it will continue to usually be crap. We will have the odd race where we all go :o but these will be fewer and farther between as the cars become more reliable. It will never leave the F1 calender until F1 is dead and I doubt the circuit will change dramatically at any point unless they build more millionaires apartments on major parts of the track.

    The problem I see is that many others try to ape what Monaco does and we will end up with more and more street circuits which will destroy what F1 is. Although dear old Bernie, and now Liberty media, seem to be trying to speed up it's death at a pace.
     
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  11. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Formula E will run the full Monaco course next year. Motorsport is stuck with it I'm afraid.
     
  12. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    Just because something is traditional doesn't always mean it's good. Monaco has a long tradition of motorsport, but the word racing doesn't always feature lately sadly. Parade is often more accurate if you ask me.
     
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