Grand Prix 2018 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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  1. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    I remember the 1990 race restarted on lap 1 because Senna disappeared as usual, Alesi caught Prost napping and overtook him at Mirabeau and then Berger decided he was going to do the same but there was no room for him to squeeze inside

    So basically everyone queued up behind the blockage except Modena who had to park his car because he could not go anywhere

    I thought if Alonso;s 2004 crash at the tunnel was bad because he tried an ambitious move to lap R Schumacher around the outside in the tunnel and got on the dust.
    What followed afterwards with M Schumacher was comical if you think he was trying to warm his brakes coming out of the tunnel and got on the dirty line and then nearly collected Montoya with him who has to be said was minding his own business

    Other incidents I remember the rain throws even more surprises

    1996 - Schumacher made a poor getaway as Hill took the lead and subsequently went straight into the barrier coming down the hairpin to the tunnel

    1997 - The Mclarens took each other out at the chicane on damp track which Damon Hill was a poor victim after they all tried to navigate Alesi spinning in front of them
     
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  3. marksawatsky

    marksawatsky Points Scorer Contributor

    Let's keep Monaco on the calendar but put all the drivers, including test, backup or spare drivers in identical shifter karts and have them race those on the GP circuit-it would be far more intersting
     
  4. Bleu

    Bleu Points Scorer

    There was a huge speed difference between Ralf and Alonso at the time. Ralf going slow on the racing line. Coming into tunnel Alonso was a way over car length behind, at the time of him hitting the wall he was a car length ahead. Ralf had some gearbox problem which eventually caused his retirement from the race, likely missing gear or two which affected him acceleration.

    Ralf was similarly involved in Jacques Villeneuve's crash in Montreal two years later.
     
  5. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Let's see Monaco ever again live up to the final lap there in 1970:

     
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  6. cousinDave

    cousinDave Points Scorer

    Have the cars gotten that much bigger? There looks like bags of room on that video where the track is the same as now. When did the layout change?
     
  7. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Bleu Alonso was rather impatient and over ambitious in pulling a move like that. Ralf Schumacher it has to be said maybe could have reacted sooner or at least got radio warning to move out of the way
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    cousinDave If you look at Monaco now its more built up with flats, restuarants etc. The tunnel was not there before and the barriers seem to make the track smaller

    It has to be said though some areas of the track like the swimming section has actually got reclaimed land but instead of making the track wider , they decided it was better off making it an escape road which I find pointless because it defeats the object of Monaco - one mistake and you're likely end up in the wall
     
  9. cousinDave

    cousinDave Points Scorer

    Cheers Il_leone . I liked how it looked then. Coming through under that bridge looks better than going through the tunnel.
     
  10. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    Still no overtaking in the 1970 clip. :whistle:
     
  11. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    just seen something through F1 on twitter & don't what this says about how bad sauber have been last 2 years. that Leclerc scored more points in the azerbajian gp, than sauber managed to scored in 41 gps in 2016 & 2017

    also I'm quite tempted to put proper money on Alonso at 250/1 ew this weekend. as hes known for outperforming his car last few years
     
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  12. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Alonso is out performing his car? You really think they'd mention that in the media wouldn't you? ;)
     
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  13. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    It's Monaco.
    Who ever is on the front row in qually will win dependant on who gets to the first corner first.

    It won't be Alonso.
     
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  14. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    Depends if i can get top 3. Perez managed it 2 years ago. 8th to 3rd
     
  15. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Greenlantern101 Panis 16th to 1st I think it was if I remember

    Hamilton won from 3rd on the grid I think

    DC won it from 3rd on the grid as well
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    F1Brits_90 If you are talking about Sauber , it helps when you have people in charge who knows what they are doing instead of signing 4 drivers on contracts and somehow bringing the team to almost folding
     
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  16. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    I hope Pirelli bring the softest tyre possible because what is terrible about Monaco and Hungary is you can act like a mobile chicane and the faster car behind cannot do a thing

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    Other than Mark Webber who won it two times since 2004 the Monaco GP has been won by a world champion. Strangely,Hamilton and Vettel have only won this race twice each considering the years they have had racing in top cars


    Last year it was said that the shorter wheelbase Ferrari was much more suited to the circuit but the Red Bulls were not as close as they ought to have been
     
  17. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Between 1984 and 1993 (10 GPs) Monaco was only won by 2 drivers. In contrast we've had 3 winners in the last 3 years.
     
  18. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    I would be interested in knowing the percentage of winners that started on the front row and the percentage that didn't and how that compares to a regular track like Silverstone for example.
     
  19. RasputinLives

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    I reckon it would work out even purely because of the fact that the retirement rate at Monaco would be far higher than average.
     
  20. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #dejavu Valued Member

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    So, Monaco is in fourth in terms of percentage of races won by pole from those circuits at which there have been races at a significant majority of the years back to 1998. It is behind the Circuit de Catalunya, Monza and Suzuka. Each of those circuits have only two wins from off the front row in those twenty years!
    Catalunya: Alonso's Pirelli-crisis era win in 2013 from fifth and Verstappen capitalising on the Mercedes nerfing each other off on lap one in 2016.
    Monza: Rubens Barrichello beating a couple of non-finishing Williams in 2002, and Barrichello as the leader of the one-stoppers in 2009 when the front three (Hamilton, Raikkonen and Sutil [!]) were on two-stoppers back in the day when Q3 fuel was carried to the race.
    Suzuka: Kimi Raikkonen qualifying 17th in the single-lap rain-affected lottery of a grid, then being the best of the favourites to come through the field to win, and 2006 when winner Alonso qualified behind suspiciously light Toyotas, Ferrari-second-driver-strategy limited Massa and Michael Schumacher, the last of which retired.
    Nonetheless, most wins in Monaco are from the front row (all but 4 in that time) and no-one has won the race in that time from a worse position than third - the highest lowest position (if that makes sense) of the lot.
    Of those circuits, the least likely place to find a winner from pole in those decades was Silverstone with only 30% (even though Hamilton has won the last three from pole.) Aside from Monza, Catalunya and Silverstone, all circuits are between 40-56%. Interlagos is the place to qualify second!
    Interestingly, the last three years have seen some of the circuits previously comparatively unlikely to see a pole-win produce a string of them (Silverstone, Spa, Montreal).
    I think these statistics show that watching the Spanish Grand Prix is a fool's errand, though...
     
  21. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    RasputinLives Only the greats tend to win at Monaco when it was a real test of driver skill and concentration. I wonder how many drivers could hack Monaco doing to nearly 3000 gear changes over the entire race rather than the finger flicking semi automatic gearboxes we get now
     
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