Grand Prix 2018 German Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by Titch, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. Galahad

    Galahad Not a Moderator Valued Member

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    I thought Raikkonen's radio comments were infantile. Clearly he knew full well what the team order was, forcing Jock Clear to spell it out potentially damages the team in the public eye - and to what benefit? A few of his fans were maybe alerted to the fact that he's the Ferrari #2...well, the timesheet's been telling them that for years. Time to go.
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    When you think Bottas got a much harsher call of team orders (i.e he actually could have won the race) and all he said was 'copy' Kimi's comments do come across as a bit silly.
     
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  4. rufus_mcdufus

    rufus_mcdufus Champion Elect

    I do feel Jock could have spelled it out a bit clearer actually. He was waffling somewhat and perhaps Kimi would've rather he just told him straight out what to do.
     
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  5. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Kimi's response that they were not "Clear"

    Yes it does look silly coming from Kimi so why do it unless he knows he is on his way out . We saw this sort of thing at Lotus when he held up Grosjean
     
  6. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    I don't blame Kimi for making them spell it out. He is a former world champion and should not be a #2 driver.

    The real problem is that there is only six seats worth having in F1, and at least two of these teams have a defacto #1 driver (I think all three do actually). So, as a top driver you can either race for a less funded team like Alonso at McLaren, or you can swallow you pride and be the defacto #2 driver at a competitive team. It is a cursed situation.
     
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  7. Izumi

    Izumi Learner

    I am not too hot for team orders, and as far as I am aware, it was first time this year, when team orders came up. Not that Vettel asked for favor. Kimi not too long ago stated he has no problem to support his teammate, if so required. I like Kimi as much as Seb, but IMO his assistance has been required in last race, yet it did not go down well with him for all to see. So much was obvious. Maybe size of his bonus is based on race-points, who knows. From a different perspective, at the moment Kimi has to pull his socks up to hold his season ranking. RBR is rising, and they mean business.
     
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  8. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    If you’re not as good as the other guy, you’re the number two driver.
     
  9. Kimi hasn't been as competitive as Vettel for a long time but that doesn't mean that if they want him to move to a side to let his team mate through they shouldn't be clear about that, IMHO it's just a matter of respect. Also we don't know what's in his contract.
     
  10. Izumi

    Izumi Learner

    Leaving Germany big question on my mind is - has Sebastian buried WDC this year? It is not going to be smooth sailing to wipe out deficit he has incurred. MB has a good car, and RBR wants a piece of action.

    On this occasion I want to voice my doubts that a driver, to be recognized as great, has to in first instance to prove himself against his teammate. That criterium makes no sense, because the sport is actually a team sport. It doesn't hurt to better other driver in a similar car, but it is not essential IMO.

    In contrast, two protagonists from top teams, such as Vettel and Hamilton this year ride in similar machinery, and from my selfish point of view this fight is far more intriguing. That's a real fight.

    Is nail biting healthy? I need to know for rest of this season.
     
  11. Izumi

    Izumi Learner

    What I get from your post is, that Vettel is not driving to his potential because driving next to (weak?) Kimi allows him to do so. Permit me to disagree. I think Vettel drives as fast as he needs or can with that car. In certain situations he can pull back, control gap, and save equipment, which is for me the most maddening aspect of current rule book. Kimi BTW is a fast guy, however for some reason he needs to put together whole season, not just sporadically glow in some races. This up and down performance affects of course WCC. It will come down to lesser sum of mistakes.
     
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  12. Angellica

    Angellica Rookie Supporter

    This is pretty much what some others have been saying. Since I've been 'outed' as a Jacques fan, here's his view on Hamilton's behaviour of late:

    Hamilton portrays himself as Jesus says Villeneuve
     
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  13. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    Jacques.... yes it is big specialist in psihology :))))))))))))))))
    A person who in a short period of time can give contradictory statements about the same driver...
    is authoritative expert for... the tabloid press
     
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  14. I find some of Hamilton's comments after the race in Germany totally embarrassing, his remarks that love conquers all were ludicrous, I agree that most of what he does and says except during a race looks suspiciously staged to me. JV has a point
     
  15. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Prost, who was a devoted Catholic, worried that Senna would do dangerous things in the car because of his own religious beliefs. I hope Lewis doesn't start to think he's omnipotent in the way Senna started to.
     
  16. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    I hope he does, the cars are safe enough for drivers on the edge of danger, it’ll be more fun. He won’t though.
     
  17. I found this very interesting video on Vettel's last lap before crashing, you can clearluy see that he had no grip whatsoever on the rear, he was trying to keep a wide line, as one is supposed to do under those circumstances, but it wasn't enough, his tyres were far too cold by then, since the video includes the radio messages that he gave tio the pit wall I'm surprised that he din't ask for new tyres (and slow down) as it was obvious that he was well over the limit

     
  18. Angellica

    Angellica Rookie Supporter

    I am hoping that is a lesson learnt and he won't make the same mistake again this weekend. Fingers crossed on that.
     
  19. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    Angellica and Publius Cornelius Scipio: Well, the Red Bulls are going to be in play at Hungary, so it may be a very interesting weekend, with lots of challenges for all the drivers. A six car race would be nice to see.
     
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  20. Ruslan One of the Reb Bulls might well win the race
     
  21. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Last chance for them before Singapore I reckon. Max has been keeping nice and clean of late and Danny Ric has ways been good round here.

    I don't know which way to swing on this one. My heart says fantastic out of the blue Red Bull win. My head says jubilant Hamilton back to back win. My gut says Vettel bounce back win.
     

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