Grand Prix 2018 French Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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  1. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Austria is prob one of Bottas best tracks. I fully expect him to be leading and hit by a metorite or something.
     
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  3. Vettel's race was certainly eventful and he hit several cars. IMHO he shouldn't have been punished for hitting Bottas, he had nowhere else to go, Hamilton went into turn 1 making sure that Bottas could catch up on Vettel, either Vettel was going to stop in the middle of the road or he and Bottas were going to come into contact. IMHO this was a racing accident (as Hamilton had all the right to slow down Vettel so that his team mate could slot between himself and his championship challenger).

    Having said that IMHO Vettel should have been punished for hitting Grosjean on the first lap, it was totally unnecessary, I understand that he had some issues with his car but there was no need to punt Grosjean.

    Regarding Mercedes I fear that they will have an advantage as long as the current PU formula comes to an end, they wanted this formula and started working on it years ahead of the competition and only then they wrote the rules, ensuring that the other engine manufacturers cannot catch up. IMHO they are playing games with the competition, so Hamilton should win another WDC. On top of that the stewards seem to be rather strict with Vettel (let alone with Sirotkin, maybe Sirotkin killed Charlie's cat) and very lenient and understanding with Hamilton (and with Versbatten)

    Regarding Paul Ricard, yes great track, with such a long straight they could have done without DRS (and obviously that silly chicane), it would have been more honest, yesterday there were several good moves (Ricciardo and Bottas, if I remember correctly) even if most of the action was just DRS passes before the chicane on the Mistral. I would also suggest that they change the colour of the run off areas
     
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  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    I wonder why Charlie is harsh on Vettel?



    As for poor old Sirotkin - I heard the Sailsbury Zizzi was his favourite place to eat.
     
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  5. LOL
     
  6. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    I don't how it can be a penalty when, since the driver doesn't have to take it quickly, the penalised driver, who is in the second fastest car, has 50 odd laps to build up a cushion. The punishment might as well be allowed to take place in FP1 in the next race.
     
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  7. gethinceri

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    I agree Bill Boddy, the drive-through penalty was a much better punishment when it was the first available sanction. I also think that the stop-go should be seen nowadays.
    5 seconds added allows the team to strategise around it.
    Serve all penalties within 3 laps.
     
  8. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    I saw a few. Five would still be pretty significant compared to what we've seen earlier this season. I was kind of pleasantly surprised. I gather it was more a function of the track than the cars.
     
  9. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    Oh...I don't think he has been his equal. I have been disappointed in him since he has gone to Mercedes. So far this season, Hamilton leads the qualifying war 5 to 3, and that includes a couple of races where Hamilton simply appeared to be off form.

    I actually like Bottas. When he is interviewed, he tries to answer the questions completely and honestly. I don't think he is as good as Rosberg was. I don't think he has really been a threat to Hamilton.
     
  10. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    ;)
     
  11. Ruslan

    Ruslan Test Driver

    Always a video worth playing. ;)
     
  12. I think that he had a point and I'm grateful that there is someone out there willing to speak his mind, we often complain about how fake F1 drivers come across and when a driver is honest and upfront we don't like him. What do you think that someone like Alan Jones or James Hunt let alone any driver of the 60s would have told charlie in such a case? I think that they would have been much more direct than Vettel, they might have punched Charlie in the face, and Charlie would have fully deserved such treatment.

    On top of that if Charlie cannot take criticism then he should resign, being a referee is not for him, he should be unbiased, even if a driver told him to .... off he still has to be unbiased. IMHO Charlie is a liability to F1, not because of his attitude towards Vettel but in general
     
  13. RasputinLives

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    It's a sporting event so I don't think any decision right or wrong justifies physical violence.
     
  14. Ruslan

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    Well, I think it was a mistake. If he had an issue, it should have been brought later in private directly with Charlie Whiting. It is one thing to speak your mine....it is another thing to publically embarrass and shame someone.

    Traffic is a fact of life in racing. It does appear like some drivers are expecting it to magically part like the Red Sea every time they encounter it. Cursing out Charlie Whiting in public over this was extremely inappropriate in my book.
     
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  15. Ruslan

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    Here is the entire incident again:


    Wikipedia discussion:

    Both Max Verstappen and Sebastian Vettel were stripped of third place podium finishes when penalised post-race. Verstappen crossed the finish line in third, followed 0.99 seconds later by Vettel, himself followed 3.55 seconds later by Verstappen's teammate Daniel Ricciardo. Before the trophy presentation, Verstappen was penalised five seconds for cutting a race corner and unfairly maintaining his narrow lead over Vettel on lap 68. While Vettel attended the podium ceremony as the revised third-place finisher, he was soon given a ten-second penalty for driving dangerously on lap 69, for moving under braking to block Ricciardo as he attempted a pass, under new rules introduced at the United States Grand Prix the previous week. This meant that Ricciardo was promoted to third which also sealed third place in the championship for him, while Verstappen was relegated from third to fourth and Vettel was moved from fourth to third to fifth once the stewards had reviewed all incidents.
     
  16. Titch

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    Vettel is the biggest whinger on track.
     
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  17. RasputinLives

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    I dunno. Hamilton and Alonso give him a run for his money.

    Oh and Grosjean blaming everything under the sun on Ericsson is probably hard to beat.

    Oh and Lance Stroll sulking at Monaco.

    Oh and Perez wanting Sainz hung drawn and quartered at Canada.

    Hmmm....seems to be a common theme in F1 drivers.
     
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  18. Ruslan

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    There is a lot of whining. Not sure how we reached this point. Was it always this way and we just have radios now, or has it become this way?
     
  19. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Raikkonnen does not whinge.......except when absolutely necessary after Bottas has hit him.
     
  20. RasputinLives

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    No Kimi just tells people to shut up or makes comments on people's driving skills. My special favourite being:

    KR: Who is this in front of me?
    Engineer: Paul Di Resta
    KR: He should stay in the press box.
     
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  21. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Have any of you been foolish enough to watch reality TV programmes like Big Brother, X Factor, I'm a Celebrity or Top Model? You have villains, you have good guys & gals, you have those who don't contribute, you have those who look foolish, you have those who appear clever.

    Do you know how we come to these opinions about those involved in these shows? It's how the producers edit the content and then present it to us. Someone who is a perfectly reasonable, genuine person can be presented as a deviant, humourless or a scoundrel simply by picking the right quote or sound bite, editing it into a situation where is doesn't fit or taking it completely out of context.

    This is exactly what FOM do with most of the radio messages which we are permitted to hear during a GP. The volume of communication between the drivers and the pit wall must be huge but we get, perhaps, 20 clips throughout the race. These are supposed to give us an insight in to the thoughts, manner and personality of the drivers? In a situation where they are under maximum pressure both physically and emotionally.

    If you enjoy being manipulated by TV producers and editors please feel free to take these all at face value. Me? I'll continue to take them with a pinch of salt the size of Wales.
     
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