Grand Prix 2018 British Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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  1. The Artist.....

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    No - why? Billiard smooth tracks make for dull racing. Bumpy tracks lead to better racing, as they tend to accentuate mistakes! Let's have more bumps not fewer!
     
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    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Tracks used for Moto GP have to be different to GP circuits though. Bikes need a smoother surafce and higher grip levels than cars (I got this from an interview with Herman Tilke some years ago) which is why it is better if the two series don't share race tracks. Anyway, Charlie Whiting is suggesting that it migt need to be redone and there is a "standard" for how many bumps per meter of track.

    Silverstone F1 track may have to be resurfaced again - RaceFans
     
  4. The Artist.....

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    I never understood why anyone thought that MotoGP and F1 should share tracks - they have very different needs... There's no need for MotoGP circuits to be so wide - and the long straights don't add much.

    If it were possible to make it safe, I'd love to see MotoGP round Monaco, for instance - it could be great racing!
     
  5. Angel

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    There is a standard for how many bumps per metre of track? Wouldn't it be better if there were none? I guess that's too hard to achieve though.

    Bikes would have more of an issue with bumps, they have less surface area on the tarmac for one thing and are much less stable.
     
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    Angellica - not sure of you've seen one of my previous posts (not in this thread) but there is an official size for the gravel used in the gravel traps. If you watch carefully in the cool down room there are always three 500ml, unlabeled bottles of still water and three white towels, along with the Pirelli baseball caps for the podium places. This is written in the regulations.
     
  7. Angel

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    Oh I understand the regulations are comprehensive, I did know about the water, towels and hats in the room behind the podium. It can be caps, Russian hats, Cowboy hats, Sombreros etc. and the drivers all have to wear them regardless. I even have a vague recollection about the size of the gravel as that can be important when it flies around etc. But I will admit the amount of bumps in the tarmac is a new one on me.
     
  8. it would be butchery, a barrier next to the track is a death trap for bikers, you just have to consider how many nasty accidents happened at the old Rijeka track before they renewed it.

    I'm not sure that Silverstone makes for a very good venue for MotoGP, I think that it's too wide
     
  9. Galahad

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    I'm not a bike man really, but looking at the calendar for the British Superbike Championship - which I gather is close to the world series on regulations/performance, and MotoGP - those boys are bloody brave to race at Oulton Park, Knockhill and Cadwell Park. :o
     
  10. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    There is a good reason why all motor races display a notice saying "Motor racing is dangerous" Galahad

    RECAP: Motorcycle ploughs into crowd at Oliver's Mount race in Scarborough
     
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  11. sobriety

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    The bikes race at the Macau GP, which is as close as they get to Monaco, mostly the Real ROad guys, but racers from BSB and the asian series go there too.

    Properly dangerous though.
     
  12. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    We used to go to Esholt Park (Emmerdale) near Bradford for the motorbike racing. From the start the bikes came uphill to the first corner, a 90 degree left hander. We stood on the outside of the turn with only a sagging rope separating us from the track. In those days you could walk round the bit of field acting as a sort of pits and chat with the riders, most of them had a shall van or a trailer for their bikes, one exception who had a plush larger van was Denis Parkinson who had a dealership on Wakefield and rode factory supplied Nortons and won almost all the 350 and 500 races. He had also been a winner of the Junior, Lightweight and Senior Manx Grand Prix so was no slouch..

    We also went to Brough airfield near Hull, they had cars as well there, real 500 cc engines (Norton and JAP were the most popular). The most popular cars were Coopers and Kiefts. You were a bit further from the circuit there since it was on an airfield where there was more space.

    There was one visit to Oliver's Mount where once again you were on top of the bikes. The outstanding rider was a certain John Surtees who seemed like quite a promising youngster, he looked as though if he managed to survive he would go places.
     
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  13. F1Brits_90

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    British GP cancellation "direct result of track surface"

    Thought i put this on here as its more F1 than motogp. As this potentially worrying for any wet races in F1 where they felt the new asphalt was too dangerous in rainy conditions, as it was not draining properly & causing standing water to puddle in multiple places. They need to ring spa ASAP as they got it sussed dry to full wets to dry within 30mins

    Yes, it is a direct result of the track surface, We had a number of years of experience here in very wet conditions recently with the old surface & we've been able to run races. This year with the new surface is the 1st time we've encountered quite so much standing water in critical places of the track. Primarily it is due to water accumulated on the surface and I think you have seen the results of when we've been running here in heavy rain, that the circuit in some places is not safe because of the way the water does not drain from the surface
     
  14. teabagyokel

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    I presume the ‘Interlagos solution’ would be unhelpful to MotoGP.
     
  15. sobriety

    sobriety Pole Sitter

    While moving Silverstone to the Ardennes will make the circuit quick drying and infinitely more interesting to watch, there may be a problem with it still being the British GP.
     
  16. The Artist.....

    The Artist..... Champion Elect

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    sobriety - the British F3 championship regularly runs an event at Spa... or at least used to!
     
  17. F1Brits_90

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    Well we get as much rain as them. But they put shallow grooves in the surface to aid drainage. When spa resurfaced. I dont know how silverstone got it so wrong as being in england drainage should be top of priorities
     
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  18. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    BRDC?
     
  19. F1Brits_90

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    Too busy with liberty media. Paid no attention to the resurfacing
     

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