Grand Prix 2018 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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  1. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    The Tifosi went mad when Raikkonen got an unexpected podium in 2009, a win would be unbelievable but just think what would happen if it were to be a Ferrari one-two.

    Which stand are you in? As usual I am in the first chicane; got 3 day ticket, checked in with EasyJet and also got a cheap hotel. Go out on Wednesday and come back on Tuesday but haven't decided what to do on the spare days, possibly a visit to Marinello.
     
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  3. Olivier

    Olivier Race Winner

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    Halo has proved to be effective and Leclerx must be thankful for the device. It was a really close call.

    VIDEO: Halo to the rescue in CRAZY Spa crash
     
  4. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    Ferrari is fast, however slip streaming played a role as well. One could see Ocon at one point almost propelled to the lead. Good race, BTW. Hamilton might differ with me on that point, but that's fine.
     
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  5. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    I noted the comment too...but took a very different interpretation of it. There is obviously a lot conversation that goes on inside the team. As he said it rather straightforward, I assume he was repeating what others at Mercedes have been discussing. Therefore my first question is what are the couple of tricks that Ferrari has that is giving them a 0.2 second edge? Well, I think one is how they use their MGU’s if I choose to believe other rumors. If Ferrari’s advantage is due to a couple of such tricks, then Mercedes can catch up before they end of the season. If it is due to simply having a better power unit, then the season may well be over. So, I found his comment to be very interesting.
     
  6. Mezzer

    Mezzer A fine chap if ever there was one. Contributor

    Unless he’s absolutely correct, and then it’s you who is in the wrong... Let’s wait and see, it might be interesting to have some intrigue out there.
     
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  7. marksawatsky

    marksawatsky Points Scorer Contributor

    To be fair, insiders in F1 are claiming that Ferrari have found a way to unleash more energy than what is allowed and their dual battery system is so complicated that the FIA don't understand it Ferrari suspected of using sophisticated battery-linked ploy
     
  8. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    Perhaps words like innovative technical solutions and skillful driving could be used instead. Tricks have negative connotation for most if us.
    Allison stated (per Sky), that both front teams have equipment of similar performance level, and strength of each is in different area.
     
  9. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    In all probability, what he should have said was "you finally came up with tricks that are better than ours".
     
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  10. Clay

    Clay Test Driver

    I could be wrong on what?
    He thanks Jesus and God #blessed after every victory. Every time he finishes second or lower it's either something that was wrong with his car or others cheating. Let's be honest, he's a sore loser at least he's presented himself as one in the past few years. He probably still can't admit defeat to Rosberg and that wasn't just down to his engine failure, but mostly his lousy starts in 2016.
     
  11. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    I think “trick” would be a perfectly valid description of the advantage that the Brawn team had in the first half of 2009 that netted them a championship. Whether Ferrari is using an innovative technical solution now or a trick I guess depends on what they are doing and who you favor.
     
  12. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    I think Ferrari has achieved parity with MB due to diligent efforts across spectrum of activities. Optics suggest it is resultant of improvements in all areas. No dirty tricks are involved (so I trust; lord knows how many times rivals sent over FiA this season already to audit the car). Surprising for some might be the fact it was achieved in Italy, without necessity to move it all to England as some experts suggested.
     
  13. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    * You have tricks* accusation - that has always been F1 when one team manages to maintain superiority over others or have found a clever way to exploit the rules until someone can prove what they did was illegal

    So nothing new there Ferrari were the worst moaners back in Schumacher days , Horner/Red Bull would be moaning too if they were not venting everything at Renault's door

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    Why did Hamilton have to go all out for a win when he has a 24pts lead but its down to 17pts so that is better than nothing? I've maintained that Ferrari should be streets clear this season so the fact Hamilton is leading is a bonus. We've seen Ferrari screw up race strategy numerous times this season.

    Now we can see that Ferrari have superior grip when they both switched to the soft tyres and especially around the slow corners so that is a chance for Mercedes to work out to improve
     
  14. Il_leone

    Il_leone Champion Elect

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    Ruslan Angellica F1Brits_90

    Ocon might find himself out of a drive but you need to ask yourself how did that happen ... well the big teams have been grabbing all the money for themselves including loyalty bonuses which was set up by the previous regime

    Then there is no fit for purpose tests in F1 to check whether team owners are suitable to run F1 teams to maintain tight controls over money laundering

    Then you have that teams must compete the season after in order to receive money earned from
    So the only reason Ocon is out of a drive is the current F1 structure treats the big teams more favourably over the smaller team

    Before we get all excited about the new Force India - how long do you think they will last before the team is sold on ? A look at who owns the team tells an interesting story
     
  15. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, I have been in disagreement with much of what the "previous regime" has been doing since the early 1990s (both Ecclestone and Mosley). They lead the series down that path where it is what it is today:

    1. Only 2 or 3 competitive teams, and more often than not, only one.
    2. The rest of the teams being a tier 2 teams with little change moving up to the top tier.
    3. Only 10 teams, with always one, or two or three on the verge of folding.
    4. Paying drivers essential to keeping several teams afloat.

    This is essentially a dead end.
     
  16. Il_leone

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    Ruslan Ocon is not the first driver to hit like this - Hulkenberg has been battling for the last 10 years to get a top drive and it always boils down to money. In some ways Mercedes are the victims of their own success because one of their young drivers can't get a drive because they've been monopolising the competition

    How can the rest of the teams move up the grid if they don't get the money sooner and you've got loyalty bonuses handed out to bigger teams ?

    Paying drivers essentially covers the hole left by not getting the money sooner to allow smaller privateer teams to compete

    People talk about budget caps but how do you police it ? I mean Red Bull can simply plow money from the drinks business into the team for a start
     
  17. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    It turns out the HALO appeared on time...
    already one was saved.
     
  18. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    First chicane too, then on to Lake Como for a week.
     
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  19. Lewywo4

    Lewywo4 Race Winner

    Let's wait and see, seem to be a reasonable request. But, I really don't see that happening, especially when to some, and it applies to Lewis.
     
  20. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, I don't know how they are going to police it....but it is not that difficult. To gain an advantage it requires significant amounts of money over time.....which is pretty hard not to be noticed if you have someone reviewing accounts and records. Several sports series in the U.S. have budget caps. For example, the NHL tracks and controls the contracts for over 20 players on over 30 teams. If they can track the contract budget across over 700 hockey players in 31 different teams....I think F1 can track 10 teams.
     
  21. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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