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Grand Prix 2018 Australian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by cider_and_toast, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. racecub

    racecub Champion Elect

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    It’s the Mercedes engine quali mode then. Yes the one Lewis named ‘Party mode’ I’m sure it’s fun to use, which is why Lewis named it ‘Party mode’ .
    Not sure what you’re point is though? If you knew strat14 was the party mode why did you ask me what it was?
     
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  3. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Because you quite clearly said there was no party mode.
     
  4. racecub

    racecub Champion Elect

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    I know there’s a ‘party mode’. It’s available to
    Lewis Hamilton
    Valtteri Bottas
    Sergio Perez
    Esteban Ocon
    Lance Stroll
    Sergey Sirotkin.

    The thing in question was whether it was turned up or on for Lewis’ Final quali lap. That’s what Lewis was disputing when accused by Vettel of getting pole by turning on the Party mode.

    Perhaps in the heat of the moment he didn’t phrase his answer as clearly as he might have done.

    Anyway here’s Vettel’s take on it now he’s had time to think about it.

    Ferrari's Vettel: Mercedes' F1 engine modes less 'special' in 2018
     
  5. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Posted this in the Hamilton thread but I think its worth reposting here as well:

    https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/f1/hamilton-vs-party-mode
     
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  6. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Everything in moderation Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Too busy giving it the big one to Seb which sort of back fired in the end.

    To quote Obi Wan Kenobi, all involved were telling the truth 'from a certain point of view'.

    At least its given us something to talk about because with out the party and a VSC with a chaser there would been naff all to talk about apart from how far Merc are still ahead of everyone else.
     
  7. Olivier

    Olivier Race Winner

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    20? It certainly feels longer than that ....
     
  8. racecub

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    I’d agree with that.
     
  9. RasputinLives

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    The Sky Sports driver ratings are in and as always there are some spot on and some proper head scratches:

    Australian GP Driver Ratings

    Hamilton has a 9.5 out of ten (agree although I'd prob have said 9) and Vettel an 8 which seems very low considering it was the same rating as Hulkenberg.

    Meanwhile Alonso got a 9 but then to be honest he could not bother starting the race and spend the whole two hours farting in a bucket and it would be described as 'a genius use of airflow in an attempt to catch the bigger names and get that number 1 chassis up the front. Surely a contender for driver of the day'.

    With that here is my review of Alonso's drive - A genius use of airflow in an attempt to catch the bigger names and get the number 1 chassis up the front. Surely a contender for driver of the day. ;)
     
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  10. rufus_mcdufus

    rufus_mcdufus Race Winner

    No mention of Ricciardo? He was driver of the day for me, though i'm probably being a bit unfair to the likes of Magnussen.
     
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  11. Olivier

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    I don't get it. Vettel won and got 8. Hamilton did not and got 9.5 ... ??? Perhaps they rated the whole weekend and not just the race?
     
  12. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Nationalistic bias by Sky?
     
  13. racecub

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    Funny radio messages throughout the race...

     
  14. F1Brits_90

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    I didnt watch until 9am when i woke up. But to be honest there was such little overtaking everything bar 2 happened in pits. i couldn't think of anyone to give it too. If magnussen had finished, probally wouldve given it him
     
  15. siffert_fan

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  16. cider_and_toast

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    It occurred to me this afternoon that the teams could do something about this now if they chose to simply by changing their design philosophy and not the rules.

    At the moment they spend all year trying to have the fastest car on the grid within the current regulations. All it needs is for one team to ditch that philosophy, accept they are not going to be the fastest and design a car that can overtake, run in dirty air and pass.

    Take Red Bull for example. It is unlikely given the restrictions on development that the Renault engine will be better than the Merc until the next pointless update to the regs in 2021. So, why not for 2019 deliberately design a car that can run six inches off the rear end of the car ahead? The only time you need to pass for the lead is once on the last lap anyway.

    Yes, ok, I know its not as simple as all that and if it was that easy surely someone would have done it by now anyway but I think the point stands that until the design philosophy changes then everything will tend towards minor variations on the same solution.
     
  17. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    This crossed my mind a year ago.
     
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  18. The Artist.....

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    I had thought about this, but came to the conclusion that if a team did focus on making an overtaking car, then it would need to also be fast enough so that it could keep up with the leaders, so it could overtake in the first instance!

    The cost of building a car that can follow close enough to be able to overtake is that it just can’t go fast enough round the corners to keep up to be in a position to overtake...

    I have long argued that 1992/3 was where F1 started going down a wrong path... too many winglets, bargeboards and elements to front wings...

    F1 needs to return to the following spec:
    Complicated, ground-force, developing undersides of cars
    Simple overbodies. Low noses (with no hangers for front wings). Flat wing endplates, with one aero element. Wide, low rear wings, with only one element. No bargeboards, no winglets, and no garbage, minimum width for side pods (across entire height) to ensure a big enough hole in the air is created.
     
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  19. cider_and_toast

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    I confess what I know about aerodynamics in car designs you could write on the back of a postage stamp with a 6 inch paint brush.
     
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  20. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Don't worry cider_and_toast we already knew that.:whistle:
     
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  21. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Shouldn't this be on non-news? We, and varius other forums, have known this for years, it is only the FIA and the teams who are blind.
     

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