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Grand Prix 2017 United States Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by cider_and_toast, Oct 9, 2017.

  1. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    It is not rocket science to design corners where if you go out of limits you lose time. If you lay down a wide piece of tarmac and then put a kerb on it which a car can go over without any need to slow then this will happen; racing drivers will take every whatever advantage they can get.
     
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  3. Dartman

    Dartman Rookie

    If we are to have wide safe run off areas then the curbs need to be of a design that having exceeded the track you need slow right down to regain the track at specific points rather than continue at high speed around a bollard to regain the track
     
  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    How about sensor technology? 3 strikes and a drive thru, another 3 strikes and a stop and go, up to 9 and black flag. Any strikes during overtaking or defending result in an instant 5 second penalty. Obviously stewards can instantly remove a strike if it was deemed a driver left the track due to safety issues or an error.

    The sensor could instantly detect and alert the driver so they'd know themselves. Give it a couple of races and I bet we'd see hardly any.
     
  5. TR

    TR Rookie

    If they would go with sensor technology, I would go with a more organic penalty. Leave the track? Lose electric deployment for X seconds, where X is tuned such that it is impossible to gain an advantage from leaving the track, but not so much to be catastrophic when leaving the track to avoid an accident.
     
  6. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    There would be a safety issue with automatically reducing the cars speed. If a car goes four wheels off the track and the speed reduction kicks in but instantly rejoins the racing line you'd have a car suddenly going slower than it should in direct line of traffic. Bound to lead to accidents.
     
  7. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Chamfered kerbs would be enough; safe enough to ride over without tipping the car, but vertical on the run-off face so you're forced to drive through the trap to the end of the corner.
     
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  8. sobriety

    sobriety Podium Finisher

    The trouble with those is they can send an already out of control car airborne if it hits them side on, they're also pretty bad for downed motorbike racers.
     
  9. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    In that case tyre shredding run-off; kevlar and leather will be fine for the bikers.
     
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  10. TR

    TR Rookie

    RasputinLives It would not be any more dangerous then the engine derating because maximum deployment for the lap has been reached, which happens all the time. It is not like the system would hit the brakes. You would just be down on power for a bit.
     
  11. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    I understand what you are saying but I Don't think the FIA will ever sign off on a system that could possibly place slower moving cars in places drivers wouldn't expect to find them.
     
  12. gethinceri

    gethinceri "suck my balls honey" Contributor

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    Gravel traps.
     
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  13. marksawatsky

    marksawatsky Points Scorer Contributor

    I'm confident that there is an engineering solution for kerbing that would effectively punish drivers for cutting corners that could also be adjusted for when the bikes race. There must be a height or profile design that would discourage running off the track that also wouldn't be dangerous.
     
  14. Chasz

    Chasz Points Scorer

    I'm with gethinceri on this. Just put a bit of gravel on the edge of the kerbs (and then for safety reasons tarmac beyond this strip of gravel).

    Desired effect achieved!
     
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  15. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Pole Sitter

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    that system I know very well from F1 games on playstation, were if you cut a corner too much you get a certain amount of warnings then you get a 5 sec penalty if its consistent. which if that happened in Austin you cant complain because as they say. the stewards would go well he already accrued 3 strikes in the other 56 laps & so no other choice
     
  16. P1

    P1 Points Scorer

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    I think all you guys who talk about gravel traps, water, electronic slow down, etc. are all wrong and suggesting totally impractical ideas.

    This track is used by driving clubs, car manufacturers for driving experience events, motor journalist demonstrations, car club track days, etc. People like the fact that they can drive this track without destroying a car if they go off the track. So you need these areas.

    The best solution is the one Nicki Lauda suggested: Allow all drivers to use 100% of the track surface with no penalties except for dangerous behavior and accidents. If the racing line ends up crossing the curbs so be it. That would eliminate the issue.
     
  17. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    I am one for gravel traps and grass in order to deter drivers from cutting corners and going over the kerbs. The real drivers know how to keep the car on the track without making a mistake.. I love it during the days when if you put the wheel on the kerb the chances are you will probably spin and be in a gravel trap

    Now run off areas makes it too easy not to punish drivers for errors

    MotoGP are having a laugh at the moment because of Sunday's farce no wonder people are turning off F1
     
  18. Kewee

    Kewee Race Winner

    Build a WALL. ROFL
     
  19. gethinceri

    gethinceri "suck my balls honey" Contributor

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    Get the Mexicans to pay for it!
     
  20. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    What's the point in doing a track lay out them. Just shove em on an airfield and let em do what they want.
     
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  21. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    Good old green English grass should do the trick. End off.
     

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