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Grand Prix 2017 Singapore Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by RasputinLives, Sep 4, 2017.

  1. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    So every year I write the Singapore intro thread. I have concluded from this that I am the only person who actually likes the Singapore Grand Prix. I know it’s a hastily put together micky mouse street circuit in a country with no fan base, but I can’t help it, I think it looks amazing under the lights and I love the closed in walled racing. I know Bahrain and Abu Dhabi do night racing now but just something about Singapore that gets me excited. I guess it’s a bit like the way Monaco gets me excited. I know we’re not going to get a lot of overtaking and the race might have some very dull moments but I can’t help but enjoy it. I think its just something about the tension of street circuits I like. The fact that it could all go wrong at any moment is just good watching.

    This is the 10th Singapore Grand Prix and all 9 previous races have talking points. The most notorious one of course was the very first race in 2008 where the result was Nelson Piqueted after a conspiracy to fix the result. Pat Symonds is back now days so I’m hoping Sky will go over to him live on the pit wall and ask “So Pat is now a good time to get one of your drivers to deliberately crash?” – I doubt they will though as the whole thing has been brushed under the carpet. The driver the result was fixed to please was of course Fernando Alonso, although he knew nothing about it. Apparently. For legal purposes that's all I'm saying. Alonso was at the time in a team that used to be a front runner but had slipped to the back and not getting results. Alonso has been increasingly frustrated all season, sounding off in the press and the media and saying he was leaving to join a competitive team to get his third title. How times change huh?

    For a change I thought I’d do a team by team look through:

    Mercedes:

    Thanks to a combination of engine jiggery pokery with the rules and some great form by Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes have powered their way back to the front through the high speed circuits. Singapore is a very different kettle of fish though and will certainly pull them back to the rest of the grid. Their saving factor will of course be Lewis Hamilton’s good form and he is pretty nifty round Singapore even if he hasn’t got the results he sometimes deserved. Bottas was obviously told during the summer that he is a number 2 driver and has slipped into the background and I expect that to continue.

    Ferrari:

    Ladies and Gentlemen we are now entering the Vettel zone! Yes the back end of the season (excluding the US and Brazil) has always been a sweet patch for Seb and I fully expect that to continue. He has always been top notch around Singapore and I think he’s probably favourite to win. His team mate on the other hand has an awful record at Singapore. I expect him to hit a wall or another car and then complain about it on the radio.

    Red Bull:

    This track has to be viewed by Red Bull as somewhere they can win. Ricciardo jokingly said he expected to lap the whole field in Singapore. He is pretty sharp round here like all street circuits and if he sniffs a win or a podium he usually goes all out. As does his team mate Max Verstappen. Usually I’d make a comment about Max, street circuits and walls but he is much improved on that front this year. I imagine he’ll be able to compete for the win as long as his car holds together. Everyone seems very keen to have a Ricciardo vs Verstappen fight (as long as Verstappen wins)

    Force India:

    Apparently the two Force India drivers aren’t allowed to race anymore. We never got to find out if either of them agreed to that as Ocon was away in the distance from Perez. This is a trend I expect to continue. I’m pretty sure Perez has brought a safety car out at every single Singapore Grand Prix he has raced at.

    Williams:

    Everyone is praising Williams return to form and coming back to the front. They were on high speed circuits though. Back to the back here, do not pass go, do not collect £200

    Haas:

    Haas seem to be on an upward spiral at the moment but this hasn’t stopped Grosjean complaining about everyone and everything. Magnussen has impressed me with his resolve and attitude this year and seems to be a match for Grosjean most of the time. I’m hoping he’ll have some close combat with Hulkenberg and talk about balls again.

    Torro Rosso:

    Has anyone seen Torro Rosso recently? Do they still race anymore?

    Renault:

    There are signs that the Renault could be a competitive car but they are very fleeting. Hulkenberg is pretty much just going about his business but even he has struggled to get results. Palmer has so many car issues even his transponder has stopped working and was shown as 4 laps down in monaza at one point despite running 13th. Palmer has found himself in an intense unlikely rivalry with Alonso in the last couple of races. Basically Palmer came on the radio in Spa and complained that Alonso ran him off the road. Everyone knows complaining on the radio is Alonso’s thing so its no wonder he is annoyed. Palmer actually has good form round here. I remember him winning the GP2 race, held in the searing heat of the day back then, by a country mile. He certainly needs to start clocking results.

    Sauber:

    Sauber like Torro Rosso have gone MIA but we do see them on occasions because their drivers like to collide with each other at least once a race. Marcus Ericson (This will be his 70th Grand Prix by the way which seems crazy) is allowed to hit Wehrlein as much as he likes because he owns the team. Wehrlein is very gloomy as he’s gone from being about to jump into a Mercedes seat to not being in F1 next year. When he and Ocon tested for Force India they were very evenly match but Force India took Ocon because the mechanics got on with him better. If only someone had told Wehrlein being nice to people would get him places! I've never really been able to decide whether I rate Wehrlein or not but being made to go back and race DTM does make me feel sorry for the lad.

    Mclaren:

    What to say about Mclaren? Well Singapore should even things out engine wise for them and as they are meant to have one of the best chassis should put them in the mix. This is assuming of course that the cars keep running. Its not being talked about much but Vandorne is pretty much keeping pace with Alonso – certainly within in the last few races. He was 10 seconds ahead in Monza before his engine packed up. Vandorne vs Alonso would be a fight well worth watching. Lets hope the engines hold out. On a serious note though I expect both Mclarens to have top 10 finishes and Alonso could even come alive and push close to a podium - lets hope its not after a safety car caused by this team mate though.

    So that’s the scene for Singapore. It could be a classic or it could be dull as dishwater. Whichever it is it will certainly look good!
     
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  3. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    Ferrari will have to be careful around here. Vettels steering was hanging to the left again after he missed his braking spot and hit a curb in Monza, similar to Hungary. The car was also pulling to the left under braking after the incident which was not shown on TV.
     
  4. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    They were very good at the Hungaroring, which means I expect them to show some form here.

    If Sebastian Vettel wants to win the title, he must win the next three races. Personally, they're his best circuits - he's won four times each at them. I think Ferrari's Spa competitiveness suggests that they should be OK at Suzuka too.

    Red Bull is the shittiest team-mate battle ever; the one who scores the points is the one in fifth by lap 10 rather than the one in the fence, garage or recovering!
     
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  5. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    I think Red Bull in the form of Ricciardo could be a lot closer to race victory. Last year their strategy nearly worked making a last minute switch to the softest tyre. Expect Ricciardo to try it again if he is within striking distance

    The Ferrari's got whipped at Monza but Singapore is suppose to be within the car's operating window

    Due to the nature of the track it does have a habit of producing surprises , Grosjean will do his best to avoid Piquet corner again and I do think Mclaren might have a good chance of getting Q3 on this track

    As a spectacle its unique even though the races have been dull
     
  6. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Pole will be all important, and bar a technical problem, the first to turn 1 will win the race. We've seen how Lewis can't follow a Ferrari, how the dirty air creates more problems this year, so Saturday will decide the race.
     
  7. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Pole Sitter

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    I really hope so, that would make my year that if Croft & Brundle start discussing pit strategy on lap 13 then wait for 14th lap. & then go we have pat symonds in our sky studio, so Renault of Hulkenburg being held up abit, what do you think they should do pat LOL
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    F1Brits_90 I remember Pat calling it "Game Theory" doing the same strategy as everyone else you'd pretty much finish where you are but do something different then it might spring a surprise
     
  9. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Pole Sitter

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    game theory. well i guess thats 1 way to call fixing a race
     
  10. Greenlantern101

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  11. Titch

    Titch Mine is the best pink car on the track. Premium Contributor

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    I do hope we see some close racing ( between teams ) at the front.
     
  12. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    I do hope we see close racing ( between teams ) throughout the field.

    "I have a dream..."
     
  13. sobriety

    sobriety Podium Finisher

    Is it an EarthDream?
     
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  14. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    This is the one that's at night isn't it. BOO!
     
  15. Legs

    Legs Points Scorer

    ROFL
    I haz dun a roffle!
     
  16. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Nico Hulkenberg by Sunday may have the unwanted record of the driver with most races to have never been on the podium
     
  17. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    If there's a collision up front and the Red Bulls DNF, he's got a good chance of being next in line.
     
  18. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    Yoiks

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  19. gethinceri

    gethinceri "suck my balls honey" Contributor

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    Well that'll make for a long evening's viewing!
     
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  20. Titch

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    Is it the Monsoon season? Why do they do that ?
     
  21. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    And it will be exactly the same in Malaysia the week after.

    Where Singapore is concerned though we Don't often get a wet race because most of the rain comes in daylight hours (why I Don't know).
     
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