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Grand Prix 2017 Monaco Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by RasputinLives, May 15, 2017.

  1. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    Raikkonen and Vettel were having issues with increasing temperature in the rear tyres. Therefore, Vettel was surprised that he managed to post a 1:15.2 at the end of his stint.

    Mercedes have been scrappy, because they are under pressure for the first time since three years or since they re-entered F1 in 2010.

    They may have won three races, but two of those wins came at cost for one driver, in Russia Hamilton didn't have the speed of pace of the three ahead of him, and in Spain Bottas was sacrificed to assisted Hamilton in mission to overtake Vettel, as we know Bottas' engine blew up a couple of laps later. Another issue for Mercedes, because Vettel was running an engine which had done equally as much mileage as Bottas'.

    Ferrari have a versatile and straightforward car, Mercedes on the other hand are having difficulties in finding a balance which suits the particular circuit. Furthermore, Hamilton has lost a strong partner, namely Rosberg, whose set up he would copy, if went in a wrong direction with his own configuration.

    Ted from Sky reported on a good race for Jolyon Palmer. The definition of a good race is interesting, whilst Palmer did finish 11th, the Force India of Ocon was only one second behind him and could not get any closer due to the dirty air and increasing engine temperatures. Palmer finished 11th out of 13 finisher, and only ahead of the two Force Indias, because they had pitted twice.
    We can conclude that a good race for Palmer is defined by whether he finishes or not, his racing performance is not relevant for the assessment.
     
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  3. olegg

    olegg Race Winner

    It is interesting what will be further with Kimi's peacefulness?
     
  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    I'm absolutely disgusted with the team orders employed by Red Bull to get Ricciardo in front of Verstappen. The lead driver should always get best strategy even if they are behind in the championship. I think they should be hung drawn and quartered and all their points given to Lewis Hamilton!

    Who is saying this? NO ONE!

    Why? Because Sky didn't spend an hour BEFORE the race started discussing how Red Bull would use team orders and how morally wrong it would be. They saved that for Ferrari.
     
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    I notice Lewis has been stirring the pot about Vettel being the defacto No.1 at Ferrari (tell us something we don't know Lewis, in the same way you are No.1 at Mercedes :facepalm:). Toto was little more circumspect in his analysis.

    Lewis Hamilton: Monaco GP shows Ferrari favouring Sebastian Vettel
     
  6. TR

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    1) You should read the comment section under any news article mentioning Verstappen post-Monaco. Some fans are certainly saying this. (about RB)

    2) In the case of RB both drivers were almost tied in the championship at the start in Monaco.
     
  7. RasputinLives

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    Not anymore. Makes those obvious team orders (must be that and not a strategy error) even more blatant. Hangings too good for them I reckon.
     
  8. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    Also. Just thought. Merc brought Bottas in and left Hamilton out. More blatant team orders surely! Is this F1 or WWE wrestling!?!?

    Yours sincerely

    Angry of Colchester.
     
  9. The Pits

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    Mclaren bought JB in on lap one. They must hate him.
     
  10. FB

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    We all do ;)
     
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  11. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Rutherford

    Its easy to do 1.15.2 when you've got a boost button to activate which is what Vettel did as soon as he saw Raikkonen pull into the pits so why should he be surprised when he can hit extra boost
     
  12. Il_leone

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    What also irritated Kimi was he was bought back within back markers which someone seems to have forgotten to consider when if they were going to pit him which cost him probably 2 seconds which might have been enough pass Vettel
     
  13. RasputinLives

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    Vettel was actually lucky with the traffic as the Sauber in front of him pitted at exactly the right time. Otherwise it might have been different.
     
  14. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    The boost button was Raikkonen going into the pits, because he was slowing Vettel down, as Vettel couldn't come any closer than 1 second.

    Anyway, we've all made our mind up, despite evidence that Vettel was faster when Raikkonen pitted and therefore managed to create a sufficient gap, it was a teamorder. David Croft says so too. Hamiltons unbiased media representative must be correct. He missed that Red Bull prefers Ricciardo.

    The earth is flat.
     
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  15. teabagyokel

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    Boost button? That would also have been available to Raikkonen, wouldn't it?

    They do actually want him to finish second; this is not Benetton in 1994.
     
  16. RasputinLives

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    Don't mention Benneton on 94! If not for team orders Jos Verstappen would have been world champion ya know.

    I'm pretty sure Il_leone is making a joke in reference to a former member of the forum who claimed Vettel had a secret boost button during the Red Bull era. I hope he is anyways!
     
  17. teabagyokel

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    I think you'll find it is JJ Lehto who would have won the title with equal equipment. :dunno:

    I'm just inclined to disbelieve all F1 conspiracy theories if Flávio Briatore is not involved.
     
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  18. Road of Bones

    Road of Bones MTC Mole Premium Contributor

    I didn't watch the race, as I was away, and after reading the reports, I deleted the Sky+ recording without viewing that either. I find it vaguely amusing to read all the "no, of course Vettel wasn't favoured" from the likes of Jean Alesi and the "no, we didn't tailor the tyres for Ferrari - but Vettel was always available for testing" from Pirelli. It is slightly more interesting than Mercedes dominance, at least.

    (And one has to wonder what Jolyon Palmer did to upset Rutherford so much...merely existing, from the tone of his commentary on JP's failings...)
     
  19. teabagyokel

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    Road of Bones - You'd have liked the bit before the start, when Jenson Button threatened to piss in Alonso's seat. A touching tribute, I felt.
     
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  20. Incubus

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    Well if Alonso retires from the next GP with a sticky throttle I guess we'll know what caused it
     
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  21. Rutherford

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    Hi Road of Bones,

    What Palmer has done or been doing since day one of this season is complain, that his car has some kind of issue.
    We're five races into the season, the gap between Palmer and Hulkenberg has been at circa one second in qualifying and in the races Hulkenberg has been scoring points, whilst Palmer is far off of even being close to such a position... unless 9 cars fail to finish the race.

    He doesn't have the skills and now that he has a stronger team-mate it is evident that it isn't only the car. What also bothers me is the positive light in which Sky present Palmer, they're twisting the truth and ignoring facts here, as they do with Hamilton vs. Vettel. He's a British driver, that's why he has so much support from Sky.

    Renault should promote Rowland, it would be worth it giving him a go in the car, he can't do much worse than Palmer.
    Renault and Williams are two teams that could be doing much better, if they had a stronger driver line-up.
     

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