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Grand Prix 2017 British Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by Titch, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Couldn't get a fag paper between 'em.
     
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  3. Dartman

    Dartman Rookie

    Definitely JYS, he was always a pain in the bum, possibly due to his condition and always trying to prove himself and not just in racing, and he knew he was never as good as Clark, that rankled. LH just doesn't care so long as he can drive a good car and do his thing.
     
  4. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Sir Jackie set the standard to which F1 drivers now aspire. He was a great driver, he did a mountain of work to improve driver safety as he raced in a very dangerous era but it was, primarily, all about him and what he could make out of the sport. I think he was one of the first to jump out of the UK to avoid paying tax although, in his defence, the upper rate of income tax at that time was around 90% so you had to work bloody hard to make next to nothing.
     
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  5. Dartman

    Dartman Rookie

    Actually Jim Clark preceded him in living abroad as his earnings were causing a problem to his farm, put in a manager and set it up as a limited company, I think he went to Monaco, until his second WDC Chapman had him on a £1500 retainer plus percentage of the prize and starting money. Whether JYS was a great driver or a fortunate driver is debatable, he certainly didn't enjoy racing as much as Clark, never saw JYS at the Boxing Day meet at Brands when all the other top drivers entered in the Group 2 Saloon thrash.
     
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  6. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Since you say it is debatable whether JYS was great or fortunate, do you have the same opinion of LH? If not, why not?
     
  7. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    Definitely fortunate coz he only raced against old timers past their best; and Seb only beat him coz Newey cheated ;)

    Aren't they all fortunate?
     
  8. Dartman

    Dartman Rookie

    LH was the first of the young drivers in a top team, before him it was not expected to join a top team before the age of 24/25, Jim Clark was turned down by Aston Martin F1 team initially as he was only 21 he was then signed by them for the 1959or 60 season but they withdrew. LH has been about for his 3 WDC's probably should have been there at least a couple or more years ago, so unfortunate, he is the quickest of the bunch at the moment though there have been a few near him in last few years.
     
  9. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    JYS was a dominant driver in an era when all of the drivers got to F1 through talent alone,from all of the various racing forms (sports cars, Indy etc, because the shorter seasons permitted such crossing over) unlike today where it seems that main thing needed is a fat bank account. Thus, the driving talent in F1 is much weaker this decade than in any of the previous years I have been following the sport (over 50 years).

    JYS was competing in an era when virtually all of the cars had the same power train, so driving talent was the primary determinant of the outcome. LH has been ensconced in the most dominant CAR in F1 history for the last 3 years and it now appears, given the advantage shown in qualifying last weekend, the the Mercedes engineers have now returned the car to that position yet again. Therefore, the only true competition LH faced was his teammate. In that period, he hasn't exactly embarrassed his number 2 drivers, and lost the championship last year to one.

    IMO, it is LH that has been the fortunate one!
     
  10. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    In terms of Hamilton and fortune, it is difficult to tell. He's had great cars that pushed him to the top, the best timed career move ever and lost a champion team-mate. On the other hand, he's been in poor cars and subject to some poor strategy.

    I'd say four titles is about right.
     
  11. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    Which poor cars has he been in then a Minardi, a Toro Rosso, a recent Ferrari (2014- 2016) or a McLaren- Honda?
    Hamilton has been in more or less one of the best cars in each of his seasons, except for the better half of 2009.

    Haven't most F1 drivers come from a fairly wealthy background? Except Hamilton, who grew up in a tent in the front yard of a council house.
     
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  12. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    The Andrettis were refugees after WW2.
     
  13. teabagyokel

    teabagyokel #bringbackmaldo Valued Member

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    Rutherford - It is a relative term.
     
  14. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    And the phenomenon of a driver being accepted onto a team because "he has $x million in backing" is a recent one.
     
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  16. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives I was never cool at school. Contributor

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    (Although I accept the millions paid for a team for him rather than got him on a team)
     
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  17. Rutherford

    Rutherford Points Scorer

    RasputinLives and FB those two are the drivers that first sprung to my mind too.
     

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