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Grand Prix 2017 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Grand Prix Discussions' started by FB, Apr 9, 2017.

  1. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Pole Sitter

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    Really liked the race that 2 quite enjoyable races we've had now. Better than some of the races we had in 15 & 16. Pre safety car i cant remember the last time on lap 10 we still had the top 5 all nose to tail within 3 secs. Normally the engineers are nagging the drivers to drop back. End of the race that could been good with lewis vettel toe to toe in final was ruined by lewis brain fade during safety car what was he thinking

    Another 1 in the what was he thinking category Carlos Sainz he can have no complaints with 3 place grid penalty. He was miles behind coming out of the pits, why he stuck 1 up the inside is beyond me its what i would expect stroll not sainz

    But great drive from vettel he made the strategy work like in other 2 races winners got bit lucky but they still deserving winners. Mercedes have got to improve on strategy because that was 1 of their few chinks in dominant 2014-16 era
     
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  3. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    It doesn't matter whether or not Hamilton got a penalty since it had no affect on his race at all.
     
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  4. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives He's the master of going faster Contributor

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    Interesting race. We have clear number 1 drivers and a one on one title battle in play now.

    Drivers green room was interesting. Vettel and Hamilton are known for their banter after the race whatever the result but Lewis was not interested today. Guess the reality of the Ferrari pace has hit home. Still think it'll stay fairly friendly though. Vettel doesn't get under Hamilton's skin the same way Rosberg did. They Don't have the history.
     
  5. gethinceri

    gethinceri Bearded. Contributor

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    I agree, thought it was worthy of a drive through myself. But then, I'm no cHamilton fan.
     
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  6. racecub

    racecub Champion Elect

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    Yes, I am a Hamilton fan, he deserved the penalty.... even though I was shouting a lot as it happened. :bawl:

    But Merc need to sort out their strategies if they want to beat Vettel this year. They no longer have the luxury of big performance advantage. They do have a small advantage, one of the fastest drivers , and the front two grid slots. They should have won this.
     
  7. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    A just penalty would have been to tell Hamilton to give the place to Ricciardo.
     
  8. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    I do think the Ferrari whilst not having the ultimate speed of the Merc is a better race car in managing its tyres and it just seems they have extra in reserve in Vettel's hands.

    We have not seen a Ferrari lead from the start so we don't know their true pace but what is clear Mercedes are just about hanging on

    Already they need to back Hamilton unless Bottas starts showing he can be a match for Vettel even Toto is now put into an awkward position he never had to deal with when he had Hamilton and Rosberg

    At Ferrari - its clear to see Kimi is a definite No 2 driver and back to 2015 Kimi
     
  9. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Bill Boddy A sporting gesture but Hamilton probably would have lost more time being stuck behind Ricciardo
     
  10. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    Well he cheated, there were examples of this happening in the past and a stop was put on it then. A 5 second time penalty is pointless if it gives a driver long enough to get 6 seconds in front.
     
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  11. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    Bill Boddy All teams know that and unless the stewards start being assertive about it ,,, teams will make sure drivers get away with minimal . The worst case was Alonso stuck on the grid in 2014 and a marshall had to risk his life to make sure all other cars were aware of this and all he got was 5 seconds penalty when his penalty should have been more severe
     
  12. Wombcat

    Wombcat Podium Finisher

    I'm pretty sure he exited the pits behind Ricciardo and passed him after the restart.
     
  13. FB

    FB Not my cup of cake Valued Member

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    Read somewhere Bottas had "generator trouble" which slowed his pace in the race. Is it the cynic in me that thinks this is just bluff by Mercedes as Valterri simply wasn't fast enough?
     
  14. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    No I don't think so because they have all the hi tech equipment to realise what the tyre pressure they wanted and apparently due to the faulty equipment the tyres did not set correctly

    Had he won the race then they would not make a big issue of it
     
  15. Titch

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    What on earth was Hamilton playing at. Is he being a bit of a Prima Donna ?
     
  16. marksawatsky

    marksawatsky Points Scorer Contributor

    If you're talking about slowing at the pit entrance, I watched the replays and it appears that Lewis dove into the pits but Bottas was in front of him so he slowed down earlier than necessary so he could roll right into his pit stop instead of having to stop then go then stop again in his pit box. I'm not sure he even realized Ricciardo was even behind him because Ricciardo appeared to be continuing onto another lap then suddenly followed Lewis in. If Ricciardo had not been behind Lewis, we wouldn't be talking about this, right? So, it wasn't Lewis intentionally balking Daniel, it just worked out that way. And Ricciardo exited the pits in front of Lewis by a good margin so it's not like Lewis could give back the position, he never had it. The 5 second penalty did ultimately cost Lewis a chance at victory and the 1 second his premature slowing down cost Ricciardo nothing in the end.
     
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  17. Il_leone

    Il_leone Race Winner

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    The blame surely has to go then to Mercedes being indecisive and not covering Vettel which created the double stacking issue . Surely seeing Ferrari getting ready for Vettel ought to be a trigger for Mercedes to react at least with Bottas you would have thought unless he did not want to pit
     
  18. RasputinLives

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    Ricciardo only came out in front of Lewis because Merc has a slow pitstop with Bottas and then Lewis as well. Otherwise the backing up would have worked.
     
  19. Olivier

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    Hamilton apologized for his move. He's clearly apologizing for getting the penalty, not for blocking Riccardo (that was part of the plan)
     
  20. Bushi

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    I wonder what Rosberg would have done in Bottas his place. A part of me says he wouldn't have gone out of the way.
     
  21. racecub

    racecub Champion Elect

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    Ricciardo had the place, Hamilton still came out behind him.
     

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