Grand Prix 2016 Hungarian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Back in 1986, when the Iron Curtain still divided East and West, the visionary that is Bernie Ecclestone decided to have a Grand Prix in a Communist country. Some say this was the beginning of the end of Communism and Bernie should be mentioned in the same breath as Reagan and Gorbachev, Thatcher and Yeltsin. Personally I think this is a load of old cobblers. Bernie knew he could turn a buck or two and with Hungarians starved of top line sport, apart from football, he knew they would turn up in their droves; which they duly did.

Fast forward 30 years and we are still making our annual pilgrimage to the Hungaroring. Communism, in Hungary at least, is a system of the past. Any trip to Budapest will present you with the usual range of crap fast food stores you now find everywhere else in the World but, at least, the city fathers in the 60's and 70's chose to build their brutalist structures outside the city so much of the original architecture is still preserved.

So what has happened at this circuit over the last 30 races? Nelson Piquet won the first for Williams. Many think of this as a Williams circuit, and they have won 7 races there. However, McLaren have won 11. I suspect Ron Dennis would give his right arm to win this year, although perhaps not as this would spoil the symmetry of his body and put him into OCD overload.

Back in the early years the Hungaroring was often referred to as the "Monaco of the East" as the the races often were very processional and featured little overtaking. That said, Piquet's overtaking maneuver on Senna in '86 and Mansell's on Senna again in '89 are both worth tracking down on YouTube. Damon Hill very nearly won for Arrows in 1997, after being dumped by Williams, and Jenson Button took his first win at the wheel of a Honda in 2006.

Lewis Hamilton has the best record of any driver currently on the grid, in Hungary, with 3 wins. But it's worth remembering that Danny Ric won in 2014 and Seb Vettel in 2015 and, I seem to recall, it has resulted in this race being voted close to the top of CTA's "Race of the Season". I'm not sure if this was a reaction to somebody other than Mercedes winning but the races have been anything other than a procession in the last few years.

Here's a bizarre fact (courtesy of Wiki), for the first 20 years there wasn't a wet race in Hungary. I think the last 10 years have made up for that.

So, Happy 30th Birthday to the Hungarian Grand Prix. Please serve us up a few surprises. Something more than a Mercedes 1-2 on the grid and 1-2 in the race would be nice. Red Bull believe they might have a chance here, with all it's tight twists and turns. I'm sure Ferrari would like to break their 2016 duck but I'm not that hopeful.

Behind these three teams I suspect we will be looking at the also rans. Williams will continue to be a bit crap and be behind Force India and Toro Rosso here as their car doesn't really like corners all that much. You would think the engineers as Williams would have considered that the car needed to go round corners when they first designed it.

McLaren might be able to mix it with the midfield runners a little more here, with only one long straight for their GP2 engine to have to worry about. At the back Haas and Renault will struggle for pace and reliability. Manor and Sauber will just struggle. What might be interesting is the rumour that Sauber will have a new investor. If they bring in some serious money I would suggest they give both drivers and Monisha Kaltenborn the boot but then I'm not investing so they aren't going to take any notice of me.

Hungary - menj, menj, menj as the Hungarian Murray Walker might say.
 
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The reason why the 107% rule was introduced was to stop mobile chicanes that the back of the grid teams were becoming

There needed to be an incentive to make the grid for the race. Back in the late 80's and early 90's you had 30 cars trying to get through the race. The slowest cars had to pre qualify just to take part in qualifying

The pitlane cannot support that many cars

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Then with the financial problems with some teams noticeably those who were supposedly backed by Japanese investment - Brabham and March and a few other teams began to go into administration. The grid dwindled down to 22 cars so the old system where Bernie promised a 26 car grid for each race was not fulfilled and also teams did not have to try just to be in a race.

There were stages where cars were going slower than F3000 cars and some 10 seconds off pole lap. This can't be right if F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport
 
Didn't get to see the qualifying until late last night. I think the drivers earned their ridiculous salaries yesterday. I wouldn't have wanted to drive an F1 car in those conditions.
 
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I'm in.
 
Ok at risk of straying even further off topic.



What? Because they failed to meet the 107% time on no less than 11 occasions. That's why.
HRT fell foul on 4 occasions.

107% rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Going by that Wikipedia page your counting seems off. Minardia were only disallowed to race after failing to meet the 107% criterium 7 times (vs. 4 times for HRT). If you count cases were cars violating the 107% rule were allowed the race it becomes 13 vs. 7. It is also relevant that in all cases only a single Minardi car failed to qualify for the race. In the case of HRT all cases involved both HRT cars.
 
We were at Spa in 2001 when Minardi were outside the 107% mark. The track started wet and only dried out in the last few minutes. Minardi and Arrows made their final runs (remember the 12 laps in 1 hour qualy?) before the final shoot out occurred; at the time they made their runs they were within 107%. Had they delayed their final runs until the last moment the congestion would have been worse.

Since Jos Verstappen was one of those just outside the limit and the area was covered in Dutch fans we knew what the stewards were going to do to avoid a lynching!
 
I saw the start, went out for a few hours, came back and watched the end. What a load of crap.
 
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