Grand Prix 2012 Japanese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Traditonally the title decider but now earlier on the calendar, the F1 circus rolls into Japan with the championship finely poised with Vettel closing in on Alonso despite a setback in Monza. At the moment it's a two horse race with the German and the Spaniard but don't count out Raikkonen and Hamilton just yet, The Finn's incredible consistency has meant he's third in the championship and will be there or thereabouts at the end, particularly if the updates that Lotus are bringing to Japan benefit. Hamilton is in one of the fastest cars on the grid (if not the quickest) and was robbed off a probably win (certainly at least second) in Singapore with gearbox problems and the loss of 25 points has threatened to derail his championship. With 6 races to go he's 50 points behind Alonso. The only benefit for Hamilton, and indeed Raikkonen and Vettel is that Alonso isn't in the fastest car. The only reason that Alonso has been on the podium in recent races is from DNF's from other drivers and also the sheer skill of the Spaniard to drag an average car to places it shouldn't be and that is why he's top of the championship with a reasonable margain, but it's certainly not comfortable and I expect the title to go to the final race in Brazil.

In Singapore, McLaren and Red Bull were the class of the field and I think this will continue in Japan where both teams have been traditionally strong in recent years with Red Bull winning in 2009 and 2010 and McLaren in 2011 with Hamilton taking a podium in 2009. The worrying thing for Ferrari is the hit and miss pace of Sauber and Williams as Perez took 3 points off Alonso in Monza and Maldonado could have taken the final podium place until he had to retire in what was his best drive since Spain. What's interesting also is that with the 4 drivers going for the championship, they are all from different teams and how the 'other' drivers do (Webber, Massa, Button, Grosjean) do will have a significant impact on the championship. Romain Grosjean has already managed that when he took out Hamilton and Alonso at the first corner in Belgium, this enabled Vettel to close 18 points on Alonso, something that is unlikely to happen again this season (such a big swing anyway, unless there are more DNF's).

Races in Suzuka have generally been sunny and dry, but in 2004 and 2010 qualifying was held on Sunday morning due to conditions the day before so rain isn't an impossibility although the last wet race at Suzuka was in 1995 with the last wet race of any kind in Japan being in 2007 with the downpours at Fuji which provided a classic race in the torrential rain. Ferrari will be praying for rain as generally this season it's where they've been able to maximise their car as 2 of Alonso's 3 wins have come in rain affected weekends in Malaysia and Germany. Considering the amount of wet practices/qualifying we've had this season, there hasn't been that many wet races with only Malaysia being wet (not including Monaco as it was still too dry for intermediates at the end of the race).

The Japan/Korea double header will have a big say in the title fight if nothing else than to decide if it's going to be a 2 horse fight or a 3/4 way fight. Certainly Hamilton can't afford any more DNF's and Raikkonen needs to win at some point, although a DNF or a low points score for Alonso would blow the championship wide open and this would play into the hands of Vettel who in my opinion is the favourite for the title at the moment unless Ferrari can find more pace in that Ferrari as Vettel is roughly only one wins worth of points from Alonso and he has the car and the speed to compete for the win at all remaining races. But then I think him and Hamilton are the only two capable of that, the big difference is is that Hamilton is a further 30 points down the road, it's superbly poised, a lot better than this time 12 months ago when the Championship was all but over with Vettel leading by over 100 points

Suzuka circuit write up - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/suzuka-international-racing-course/
 
MCLS.....I'm not calculating how many points Alonso would be leading by I'm simply saying Lotus drivers have cost Alonso a 40 point lead. He quite possibly would have only had a 20 point advantage now but thats much easier to defend than 4 points.
 
Puhoon.....I would have thought that was obvious. He was trying to drive around the outside of Alonso and there wasn't room. He wasn't alongside him he was still behind him which is why Alonso suffered a punctured rear.
 
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Puhoon.....I would have thought that was obvious. He was trying to drive around the outside of Alonso and there wasn't room. He wasn't alongside him he was still behind him which is why Alonso suffered a punctured rear.

I thought that the incident was pretty obvious to everyone until I read your rant. Kimi was off the track because Alonso pushed him there. Hence the puncture for Alonso and broken front wing for Räikkönen.
 
Did you not listen to the live feed from Kimi's car Puhoon? You can hear him shouting "that'll teach for stealing my drive at Ferrari, bastard!" as he swerves right into Alonso's rear tyre. Similarly Grosjean can be heard screaming "I hate ****ing Waltzing Matilda" as he T-Bones Webbers Red Bull.
 
A rather disappointing race due to various title contenders being out of place on the grid and taken out at the first corner.

Button and Hamilton both seemed to make pretty good progress after the mid point of the race and another lap or two may have seen Button catch Kobayashi for third.

After qualifying though, it was fairly obvious Vettel was going to run away with it if he got away cleanly.
 
Nice race, although a bit dull. I was screaming for Kobayashi to stay in front of Button on the last lap LOL
A great race for the championship though :)

Most drivers would have said they were sorry to have ruined the times of those drivers that were on good laps.

And they would be lying as no one wants other drivers to have a good lap, they just want to be in front of them.
 
Kewee,
Re: Alonso, you might easily say the same about Hamilton except that his poor luck began earlier in the season. In the end the one who deserves the title is the one with most points, whichever races they were gained in.

Re: Raikkonen, I don't like Schumacher at all but I don't blame him for things which are clearly not his fault. Kimi had two wheels on the grass because Alonso gave him no room on the track.
 
Grosjean was the only driver I could find fault with. It looks like his time out taught him nothing.

Very pleased with Massa's performance. Hopefully this is an indicator that he is finally getting back to his form of 2 years ago.

Puhoon.....I would have thought that was obvious. He was trying to drive around the outside of Alonso and there wasn't room. He wasn't alongside him he was still behind him which is why Alonso suffered a punctured rear.

The reason there wasn't room was Alonso kept drifting left, ignoring that fact that Kimi was already there. It was a racing accident, nothing more. IMHO your view is no more valid than if someone said that, to Alonso, mirrors are on his Ferrari simply as decoration.
 
When Grosjean was interviewed post the ban at Singapore, he didn't give the impression that he used the ban as an opportunity to reflect on his driving, as the FIA would've expected. In fact Maldonado's driving in the first lap at Singapore actually showed a driver who had taken on board the criticisms and something Grosjean can learn from. Personally I don't know what to make of the guy. He comes across as very innocent and harmless but his driving is the total opposite.. Johny Herbert thinks Renault should get rid of him.
 
He was asked afterwards how he felt about spoiling other drivers laps and said he didn't care. He had time to consider his answer and the effect of his spin. Most drivers would have said they were sorry to have ruined the times of those drivers that were on good laps. His mistake wrecked Hamilton's and Alonso's laps and most drivers would have apologized.

May I congratulate you on your finely tuned sense of moral outrage. However, I find it curious that you don't seem to have the same feeling towards a driver that attempted to blackmail his boss and who profited greatly from the deliberate crash of his teammate (yet I don't recall him apologizing for winning that way, or suggesting that said win be taken from him). I truly find such moral relativism breathtaking.
 
Without wanting to get into ancient, and possibly skewed history - I would like to say that I have just watched a replay and it seems to me that Alonso was fully on track when he was punted.
 
Very boring, I still have the re-run on while typing this but it is so processional. I don't know what to say about Grojean. Great for Kamui pulling himself out of the shade of his much lauded teammate, I hope he can get a really good drive soon - not that the Sauber is slow!

Not great for the championship that Vettel is so close now, I think he will run away with it now. I would have loved seeing a chase over the last 5 races. Mind you, 1 DNF for Seb would change that.
 
It will take more than 1 DNF, Alonso would also need some of those who are qualifying quicker at the moment to have bad days. I suspect that at least the last two races of this season will be meaningless.
 
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