Grand Prix 2012 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

After a long summer break, F1 has it's second race in a week as the circus rolls onto Monza for the last European race of the season and the season is finely poised as Championship protagonists Alonso and Hamilton failed to score after a lap one crash in Belgium. McLaren team-mate Button took his second win of the season to keep alive his Championship hopes and is 'only' just over 60 points behind Alonso and 16 points behind Hamilton.

Just as Spa is famous as a historical track, Monza is similar. Monza is the definition of speed and is one of the most famous tracks in history. But it's a track that has seen as much tragedy as success with several drivers losing their lives at the circuit, notably Ronnie Petersen and Jochen Rindt. This led to modifications in the circuit with the banking sections no longer used and chicanes added in to slow the cars down with the last change being in 2000 with a change to the first corner. However, drivers are still at full throttle for the majority of the lap and it presents a major challenge to the driver, even if overtaking isn't the easiest.

Going into the Italian Grand Prix, McLaren seem to be in the best form after taking 2 victories in the last two races but were very Jekyll and Hyde as in Hungary, Hamilton won as Button struggled, and in Belgium Button won while Hamilton crashed, but we will never know how Hamilton would have got on in the race but he was certainly not the happiest after believing a wrong rear choice hampered him in qualifying as he was eight tenths behind his team mate who took his first pole position since the Monaco Grand Prix in 2009.

Alonso's DNF played into the hands of Red Bull and especially Vettel who nearly halved the deficit to Alonso despite not making Q3 he took advantage of the carnage at the start, allied with some strong overtaking, notably at the last chicane to finish second and reduce the gap to less than a race victory. Webber also benefited despite not finishing on the podium as he reduced the gap to 32 points and only 8 points behind his team-mate. A race win in Ferrari's home territory for either Webber or Vettel would really strike home at Maranello and reduce the gap to almost nothing and would be a major psychological boost, just as it would if a McLaren driver takes the flag on Sunday.

The big disappointment of Belgium was Lotus, many expected them to be fighting for the win and had said that they had the best package going into the weekend, but their only produce was a third for Raikkonen, some way off the leaders after spending much of the first half of the race fighting with Schumacher. Team mate Grosjean caused a huge crash at turn one and as a result is banned from this weekends race as punishment. Lotus will be extremely disappointed not to have turned a very strong car and good performances into a win with 2nd place being the highest they've finished so far this season and a few times both drivers have been on the podium but the top step has been elusive. They won't be too confident of changing that in Monza as the track doesn't suit their strengths and they could well be behind McLaren, Red Bull and Ferrari in terms of raw pace. However, just like in 2003, Raikkonen's consistency and abilty to bring the car home in the points means he's 4th in the Championship and is a major part of the championship despite having yet to win a race.

Mercedes certainly have the quickest car in a straight line and that will make them very competitive, as shown in 2011, but they suffer from very poor rear tyre wear which affects their traction and with slow chicanes that will cost them on Sunday but they could act as the joker in the pack with a strong qualifying performance and it was this that compromised Hamilton's race in 2011 as he was stuck behind Schumacher for the early part.

For Galahad's write up on the circuit - http://cliptheapex.com/pages/autodromo-nazionale-monza/
 
But it is basically specific to the one race, which he retired from, so no advantage gained, no penalty for the next race needed, but your idea works better!
 
Caterham has KERS this year. Marussia is set to use the Williams KERS system from 2013 onwards. HRT hasn't said anything about KERS... ever.
Lol. This year's HRT is designed to run the Williams KERS system, they just couldn't afford to actually put it in the car.
 
A raise of the hat :goodday: to Kovi who seemed to have genuine pace today and finished Practice 2 seemingly quicker than at least 1 of the Toro Roso's. Could this finally be the weekend when Caterham make up the gap to the midfield.

I read recently that so far Lotus F1 / Team Lotus / Caterham a have spent over 100 million to date and not scored a point making the team the most expensive pointless team in F1 history. (please feel free to pun that if required). With a Renault engine, Red Bull systems and Kers, a handy driver in Kovi and pretty good staff and facilities it makes you wonder why they haven't got it together yet and shows you just how much harder it will be for Marrusia and HRT to get up there as well.
 
cider_and_toast

It may well be true that Caterham have spent 100million.... However, it's also true that the other teams just in front will have spent at least the same amount...

It's never THAT surprising if new entrants fail to score.

If you look at the teams that have survived over the last 21 years, all of them (well both of them) managed to score well in their first season (sauber, jordan).... - so even though they couldn't out-spend teams, they hit the ground running, so were able to just about tread water..
 
In a little over ten hours the grid will be set for the Italian GP. What are everyones predictions.

I'm picking a good chance for an all McLaren front row with the possibility Alonso could squeeze one of the McLaren's back onto the second row. Massa has a very good chance for grid four but beyond that the battle could be between Rosberg and Raikkonen. Thats my pick for the first six grid positions, beyond that it will be a bun fight. I think the results from 2nd practice could well be representative of the final grid with the exception of Red Bull. They clearly have a problem but I'm sure they'll find more speed before qualifying though they may still struggle to reach Q3.
The danger of making predictions like these of course is you can be left feeling stupid for getting it so wrong. LOL
 
tooncheese - Yes, but he'd have been in the Alonso kind of area so could have been eliminated on the spot rather than spun.

I suppose its all irrelevant anyway!

If Maldonado hadn't have jump started we could have seen a very different outcome to that incident. It was only sheer luck that Grosjean's wheel missed Alonso's head, having Maldonado in there could have altered Alonso's position for better or for worse.
 
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