Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Thats not what you said.

To be honest I think the 'everyone hates Alonso' line is totted out by Alonso fans anytime he gets some criticism is people pulling on the blinkers because theyvwant to see everything the man does as golden. I don't really care what he did in the past and to be honest I think the phrases 'its because he's Spanish' and 'its his fiery latin temperament' are borderline racist even if they are well meaning. If I was saying Hamilton was one way because all black people are like that then they'd be outrage.

As for the Button thing. Button made a crack about the team being slow. He did not berate the teams engine partner at their home grand prix in front of their execs.
I can only think of saying Ferrari is :censored: in front of the tifosi at Monza as even worse in F1

Fernando do that too. Its ok though because he's Spanish and mentioning it means your small minded bitter person.
 
RasputinLives ...... I can't speak for others that made reference to Alonso being Spanish but my own comment that the Spanish way is very direct was in no way suggesting Alonso's comments were ok. The latin temperament is well known but I don't have a problem with it at all. I have many dealings with Asians who have very non judgmental placid natures so I never judge different races by their approach to life. People are different depending on their backgrounds. Alonso is very different to me due in part to his latin temperament. I'm definitely not racist in any way.
 
RasputinLives What have I done now to call me a small minded bitter person?:s:oWhen I said what Alonso did was publicly humiliating for Honda at home and I can only think doing that to Ferrari to the Tifosi at Monza as even worse
 
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Ayrton Senna and Honda - Few kind words and a loaded gun

Looks like Maurice Hamilton picked up on how Senna use to do it and compare it to Alonso's situation.

I do remember Ayrton use to drive the Honda guys really hard and not liking the V12 Honda and preferring V10 Honda and demanding more power all the time but he managed to get the Honda guys behind him. Question mark is will Honda now listen and take note from Alonso after what happened Sunday?

I do admit we never had open radio broadcast in races back in Senna's days so we don;t know just how much he was criticising the HOnda engine to the team
 
RasputinLives What have I done now to call me a small minded bitter person?:s:oWhen I said what Alonso did was publicly humiliating for Honda at home and I can only think doing that to Ferrari to the Tifosi at Monza as even worse

That was't aimed at you was just in reference to the 'everyone hates Alonso' post that had been made by anothe forum member earlier.
 
RasputinLives ...... I can't speak for others that made reference to Alonso being Spanish but my own comment that the Spanish way is very direct was in no way suggesting Alonso's comments were ok. The latin temperament is well known but I don't have a problem with it at all. I have many dealings with Asians who have very non judgmental placid natures so I never judge different races by their approach to life. People are different depending on their backgrounds. Alonso is very different to me due in part to his latin temperament. I'm definitely not racist in any way.

I don't think you mean to be but I have met some very placid Spaniards and some very angry men from India so its just a frustrating generalization that seems to be allowed. Its certainly not one that can be tottered out in a patronising way as an excuse. Its positive discrimination I grant you but saying all Spaniards have fiery tempers is pretty much the equivalent of sayin all Women can't drive, all South Americans can dance the samba or that all New Zealanders are mono-syalabic beer drinkers who have sexual relations with farm animals.

I'm sure there are case when all of the above are true but I know just as often its not true and is in fact the opposite. I know its a topic for a different thread really but saying 'thats just how the Spanish are....' frustrates me slightly. If someone was defending something I said (doesn't happen much on here I grant you ;)) and did it by saying "Well thats just because he's English" I'd be proper peed off at being judged as a stereotype rather than an individual.
 
As with all generalisations there are always exceptions, though Alonso can appear to fit the Latin mould rather well but in saying that none of us know him and i'm sure those close to Fernando see a very different side to his personality.

Regarding your comment "New Zealanders are monosyllabic beer drinkers who have sexual relations with farm animals" you must be confusing us with Australians. ROFL
 
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I I found myself thinking about Alonso's first lap retirement yesterday. As we now know he only took to the start "for the crowd of fans", sort or put up an appearance at least, knowing beforehand his race would be over after a lap or two because of the problem that had been detected the previous evening.

Did he really do the right thing? What if he'd been involved in a first lap crash and either he or another driver had been injured? It would then have looked irresponsible to have taken part in a race he knew he couldn't complete wouldn't it?

Just a thought...
 
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Incubus It is actually quite irresponsible of both Alonso and Mclaren. Now if it took out a championship contender that would be controversial. Not sure how much negligence would be directed at them. The cars were locked up in parc ferme so they could not do any more.

Under current regulations cars with mechanical issues or deemed undriveable must pull off the circuit
 
Incubus It is actually quite irresponsible of both Alonso and Mclaren. Now if it took out a championship contender that would be controversial. Not sure how much negligence would be directed at them. The cars were locked up in parc ferme so they could not do any more.

Under current regulations cars with mechanical issues or deemed undriveable must pull off the circuit
 
Can't really think of too many precedents off the top of my head. Maybe Gerhard Berger at the OZ GP in 1988. Ferrari knew they'd understimated fuel consumption for Adelaide so Gerhard had decided to go for a glory run, turning up the boost at the start of the race. He'd warned Prost before the race "Don't worry if I overtake you!"

He hadn't warned Senna though so when he overtook Ayrton he nearly took him out in the process, overtaking with all four wheels locked and there was a slight contact. He took Prost a few laps later and Alain made no attempt to defend, knowing Gerhard was just showboating.
 
Alonso was at the back of the field, there was no chance of him taking out either of the Mercedes drivers before he would be forced to retire. He might have ruined Vettel's race though.:snigger:
 
I think Vettel ruined his own race but Alonso's comment that he enjoyed taking the start and that was it..it is a sorry sight to see for a world class driver
 
That is why I think Honda should supply engines to Red Bull to enable to make more progression on the engine. Fernando needs to have a quiet word with Ron Dennis.
 
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